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Author Topic:   For Joralex - Metaphysics, Science, & Evolution
John
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Message 5 of 33 (59717)
10-06-2003 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by crashfrog
10-06-2003 10:05 AM


Joralex was so gung-ho that I am stunned he hasn't already contributed.
Here is my tae, just for fun.
I don't like the term 'naturalism' if only because it feels loaded. What I think happened is that people realized that claims to knowledge that are not connected to our senses quickly become games of "I say it is. You say it isn't." There is no way out of the mess without appeal to something shared, or at least, apparently shared. The only thing even remotely shared is the world of sensation. Thus, it becomes the default standard. It is the only standard, even if not a particularly good one.
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John
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Message 10 of 33 (59787)
10-06-2003 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Joralex
10-06-2003 3:11 PM


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Which specific metaphysic are you referring to?
You brought it up; you are the one who should know.
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Answering your question directly (and skipping over many relevant/important points) : in a sense, they aren't. However, it must be understood that these conclusions do have a metaphysical foundation. Most Naturalists aren't even aware of, let alone acknowledge, this foundation.
So, in other words, your objection was a bluff.
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I am responding here out of courtesy only.
hmmm... something is not adding up. You are behaving as if you've been drawn against your will into some distasteful debate, while the fact is that it was your own rather uncourteous quip that started this issue.
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It has been an observation of mine that Naturalists constantly contort words to make something appear out of nothing - must be all that practice with making macroevolution appear "possible".
We are waiting. Set us straight, or is this yet another claim you can't support?
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John
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Message 15 of 33 (59958)
10-07-2003 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by sidelined
10-07-2003 11:33 AM


I agree. The site is pretty amateurish.
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Message 26 of 33 (60093)
10-08-2003 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by sidelined
10-08-2003 9:55 AM


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Without the physical world already agreed upon...
That is exactly the metaphysical assumption.
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