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Silent H
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Message 31 of 33 (60128)
10-08-2003 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by PaulK
10-08-2003 1:45 PM

paulK writes:

The empirical content comes when you try to apply the mathematics.

This is why mathematians are pure philosophers and not scientists. The latter are natural philosophers, which study (and theorize regarding) only those things with empirical content.

I didn't mean my comment as a dissing of mathematicians. I don't have a problem with "pure philosophy", just as long as it allows for some practical/empirical application... which mathematics generally does.


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Message 32 of 33 (60149)
10-08-2003 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Silent H
10-08-2003 1:36 PM

Science is natural philosophy, ergo some philosophers do experiment.

That use of the phrase natural philosphy is so out-of-date now. I don't think that your statement above is at all true.

The original line by sidelined was:
And science does one thing the philosophers never do .Experiment.

He was using science in the colletive and "philosphers" as a whole. Your comments about doing and not doing experiments don't make sense in that context. It is the same with theorists too. They are part of the collective.

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Message 33 of 33 (60161)
10-08-2003 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by NosyNed
10-08-2003 4:37 PM

There are theoretical physicists who are the main source of much of my understanding of science nowadays. Richard Feynman Julius Schwinger Murray Gell-Mann are in the elite category (most especially Feynman) who had a great enough grasp of the physics as an extention of their minds that they have been known to bring to bear theories in contradiction of then known experimental data and categorically state that the experiments were in error.And they were found to be correct.
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Hey don't dare say I didn't warn you.

Philosophy has always struck me as people trying to get out of a one door room through the ceiling and wondering why everybody cannot see the same exit.

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