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Author Topic:   Applying Science to Past Events
jar
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Message 8 of 354 (128734)
07-29-2004 5:54 PM


I would have to ask what in this line
observation---->hypothesis---->test---->theory---->conclusion
could not be applied to history?
In addition, you can also apply the
hypothesis---->prediction---->future observations---->confirm or deny
to history just as in any other science.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

jar
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Message 12 of 354 (130074)
08-03-2004 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Robert Byers
08-03-2004 4:47 PM


Re: science vs. method
You are right science is taking place anytime the scientific method is accurately employed.
Agreed.
And I suspose this could happen in Auto repair.
It most certainly does. In auto repair, the mechanic looks at the evidence. Based on the evidence he or she makes a hypothesis as to what is wrong. He then tests the hypothesis and either comes to a conclusion or revises the hypothesis based on the tests.
Otherwise everything (even creationism) could be said to be science.
Not really. Only if Creationists are willing to place the conclusion last, to throw it out, could it ever be considered science.
You see, science is perfectly willing to throw out the TOE. All that is needed is something that explains the evidence better.
Are Creationists willing to throw out GOD?

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Message 24 of 354 (130360)
08-04-2004 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Robert Byers
08-04-2004 2:58 PM


Scientific evidence IS not evidence like other evidence.
Of course it is. Evidence is evidence.
Scientific evidence is the successful result of the scientific method being applied to some matter.
Nonsense. Evidence is evidence. It has nothing to do with method.
Evidence is the observation, the object. Evidence has no condition other than existing.
Evidence is evidence.

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Message 25 of 354 (130363)
08-04-2004 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Robert Byers
08-04-2004 3:05 PM


Re: science vs. method
If what you said was accurate then creationism which largely spends its time attacking the conclusions of others (as opposed to presenting new ideas) would be as valid in acedemia and the schoolroom as any critic.
Nonsense.
Creationism starts with the conclusion that something was created. Therefore it does not follow the scientific method. That is why it is pseudo-science and rightly, ignored.

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Message 30 of 354 (130774)
08-05-2004 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Robert Byers
08-05-2004 4:46 PM


I don't believe I am wrong because prestige and credibility have no place in science.
That is your problem.
Religion and law may well consider credibility but even in those areas prestige has no place.
You and the few other remaining Creationists can say anything you like, but that has nothing to do with fact.
Repeat after me.

Prestige and credibility have no place in science.


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Message 31 of 354 (130777)
08-05-2004 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Robert Byers
08-05-2004 4:59 PM


Thank you. Once again you prove our point.
its only bones and thier place.
Exactly. That is what it is.
Folk go into the field. The make a find. They find bones (or imprints or casts or wood or stone or whatever) and very accurately note it's place.
They examine what is above it.
They examine what is below it.
They examine what is around it.
Then, once all of the observations are made, they come up with a hypothesis to try to explain those observations.
That is how the TOE was developed and why Creationism has been abandoned by all science and all but a few vocal religious cults. Of course, Creationism was abandoned long before the TOE was developed, but that's beside the point.
The TOE accurately explains the observations. Creationism has never been able to explain any of the observations.

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Message 40 of 354 (131885)
08-09-2004 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Robert Byers
08-07-2004 5:48 PM


LOL
That might be true is someone ever brings some serious criticism. Do you plan on bringing some serious criticism?

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Message 62 of 354 (138170)
08-30-2004 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Robert Byers
08-28-2004 3:29 PM


Robert
You keep wandering off into strange lands, so perhaps it is time to try to pin things down. Let's start with...
What is the scientific method?

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Message 187 of 354 (143641)
09-21-2004 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by crashfrog
09-21-2004 11:41 AM


The reason that you've never seen your idea before is because it's so patently wrong that any discriminating intellect would have rejected it immediately.
Again, the term discrimination. RR, I hope you note this. Discrimination is a valuable tool in learning how to think. To sort through the mountain of data that is available today, you absolutely need to discriminate. It is one of the essential tools in critical thinking.
Thank you Kermee.

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Message 353 of 354 (148734)
10-09-2004 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 352 by Admin
10-09-2004 12:36 PM


Re: Thread Reopened
Percy
Would we be better served by closing this one and starting a Part Two?

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