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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
If you believe that science cannot investigate the past, then you'd better open the prisons, because there's a lot of people convicted for crimes based only on forensic evidence.
The big difference is that a person convicted of a crime may admit to it, there-by confirming what science had come up with. Sometimes with great sucess, or maybe with a slight variation that science would have missed. People also get released from prison in light of new evidence. So since science isn't 100% accurate at this point in time, I wouldn't let it dis-prove anything. This doesn't mean that science isn't usefull to us all. It is nice to try and "guess" what happened based on evidence. Sometimes it even leads to some good. Nothing bothers me more than watching a discovery special on TV and they find some bones in a mud pit, and then proceed to tell the whole life story of that animal as if they were there, and 100% certainty. Its only an educated guess at best. Wouldn't you agree that coming up with conclusions like this are subjective and not very scientific sometimes?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
But unlike what scientists always claim, it starts with a theory. Quite the oppisite, don't you think? Sounds like creation science, which scienctist say isn't a science at all.
Our first evidence is that we exist. This is usually realized before we realize God or any scientific explanation why we are here, or how we came into being. Then we go from there. I guess you think that you have to be a scientist before you have authority to come up with a theory?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
No scientific conclusion is ever offered as 100 percent certain.
I am glad you think that way, really.Just don't go on to say "but the evidence is overwelming!"
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I respect all that. But if your a scientist, tell me the truth. How many scientists in your field would you considered good? Are they good because of thier knowledge, or where they born smart?
I understand knowledge helps, but it is not the end all to being smart, or even wise.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
lol, have a nice day.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Awesome. But should we walk around letting that theory dictate things in our lives?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I don't think so.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I'm not, by my wife is a graduate student in entomology.
And I slept at a Holiday inn last night.
They're good because they combine methodical reasoning (which they learned) with a deep basis of research (which they learned). Talent doesn't get you far in the sciences, because we've already done so much science that the "frontiers", if you will, are a long way from everyday experience. You have to study what's been done before you can do something new, and that process takes years.
I have great respect for that, but in spite of that, it doesn't make them smart, and they still get things wrong. Just like me, and you.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You guys are totally mis-understanding me.
I have great respect for all the education. What I have a problem with is that you guys seem to think that coming up with a good theory, or a good invention, or a revelation is left to only the "elite" who have education. I am not some jerk kid who hasn't seen much in life. I have been around awhile and sometimes, that is education enough to see whats going on. I am going to make mistakes, just like a scientist would, but I am not limited to what was taught to me. I have freedom to think outside the box. I agree with you about college, if your going to go, better you be in the top 2%, because thats how your going to make it big in life with a college education. I should have went to college, but my bringing up didn't allow for that to happen, and I had to go through things the hard way. That didn't stop me from trying to learn along the way. I have to use many aspects of science with my profession, and all my hobbies. I use these things in a practical way, and learn from them. Most of these things were invented by people thinking from outside the box, and trying new ideas, or even some goofball experimenting in his garage, who doesn't know from Adam. The reason I posted my theory, is that out of all the theories I read, I never seen anyone come up with that idea before. To me its obvious what happens geologically when it rains. I put it out there to the "experts" to see just how dumb of an idea it is, or maybe, just maybe it might make sense to someone with the education, and then could pursue it further. But unfortunatly the way I got treated leads me to believe that you guys are just not interested in the great flood making any sense whatsoever, and only look to dis-prove it. I have sought the advice of water run-off specialist to see if my idea holds any water. I don't know if I will get a response from them either, but to me its worth a try.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You have no idea who I am at all. I am really trying hard to contain myself right now. With all that intelligence you have, you can't even figure me out. Its no wonder I came up with the term jerk scientist.
You are living in a world where you think you actually know whats going on. Even the smart scientist will tell you, the more we learn the less we know. Finding more evidence only leads to more questions. And WTF is a good old day? How stupid is that? You know I was a atheist evolutionist for 31 years? Despite all that I found God. By using my own subjective scientific method, that anyone could follow. Its in a book called the bible.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
How is it that what I said, was just made up off the top of my head?
Did you even read what I wrote? Are you so hell bent on making anyone who believes in God look bad, that you can ignore all the facts? I made observations, and applied them to my theory.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
close parenthesis.
I need a undertanding of the biological world too.
However, the dumbest scientist would not ignore, wish away, studiously avoid reading etc. the knowledge that ALREADY exists. Science is a cumulative effort and ignoring current data (even if it is wrong sometimes) is hardly admirable.
This is why I do not ignore the data. I just do not take it as an end all. There is just too much to know. 1000 years from now, we can look back and laugh at some of the things you currently believe in. Maybe even the bible too, but I doubt it. Thats if we are still here
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
That is mis-understanding what I said.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I love Bill the Cat BTW.
I am talking about the data that is not collected as of yet, plus the things we just don't know. As with all non-Christians you automatically assume that I will refer to biblical things. However, I will not accept science as proving anything wrong in the bible, until all the data is collected, which may never happen. I do remian open minded about it, and realize that the bible was written by man inspired by God, not God himself. Then translated.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
All the data.
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