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jar
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Message 62 of 305 (358132)
10-22-2006 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by RAZD
10-22-2006 9:34 AM


Re: Reality: What a concept!
How would one know?
Do they know the secret handshake?
Do they have the Glow in the Dark Magic decoder ring?
and most importantly:
Are they telling you what you want to hear?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 83 of 305 (359310)
10-27-2006 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by warner
10-27-2006 11:52 AM


On Super natural?
You do not have to believe it until maybe it happens to you or a close loved one.
Then at least you will have to reckon with it.
You will find that you cannot scientifically explain it which makes it "super" natural.
It seems that it could also just be unexplained.

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jar
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Message 90 of 305 (359630)
10-29-2006 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Hyroglyphx
10-29-2006 12:41 AM


what is scripture?
If you are suggesting that the Scriptures we have now are not actually the 'real' scriptures, then the burden of proof remains with the one making the assertion-- in which case, I think we'd all like to know how this esoteric knowledge has come into your possession.
We do not know what the term "Scriptures" refers to. We do know that it is not the Bible, since the Bible (actually Bibles since there is no one universal Canon) did not come into existence until long after the references to scripture were written.
It is likely that the term refers to a broad base of texts that would include books later included in the Bible and various Canon, but also many other texts, some like Enoch that we know about as well as many still unknown.
In addition, as has been pointed out to you, we do not have a single example of the original text of any of the material that was later codified into the Bible.

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jar
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Message 175 of 305 (394896)
04-13-2007 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Rob
04-13-2007 10:41 PM


Rob's nonsense on Absolutes yet again. Sheesh.
It is absolutely true that I like strawberry ice cream.
It is absolutely true that I am over 21 years old.
It is absolutely true I made an omelet for lunch.
It is absolutely true I had a V-8 tonight.
No one has denied that there are absolutes. What has been said is that no one has been able to show that there is absolute morality or to give an example of an absolute moral that stood up to examination.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 178 of 305 (394902)
04-13-2007 11:26 PM
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04-13-2007 11:14 PM


Re: Finally... I get to teach jar about absolutes
Rob, it is absolutely true that it is pointless trying to hold a discussion with you.
The readers can look at the thread and decide whether or not what I said were actually absolutes.
The key point is that No One has so far been able to show any absolute morals or that there is any absolute morality.

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jar
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Message 180 of 305 (394910)
04-13-2007 11:43 PM
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04-13-2007 11:37 PM


Re: Finally... I get to teach jar about absolutes
Are you implying that the readers of this thread can interpret reality and the meaning of words for themselves?
No, I said nothing about interpreting reality.
Yes, words have different meanings based on language, culture, era and context.
If so, will you allow me the same liberty?
Do you even know what I am saying?
I have no idea what you are saying.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 182 of 305 (394915)
04-13-2007 11:53 PM
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04-13-2007 11:47 PM


Re: Finally... I get to teach jar about absolutes
Rob, it is perfectly fine with me for you to try to interpret my words anyway that suits your little fancy.
LOL
That has absolutely nothing to do with what has actually been said in reality.

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jar
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Message 189 of 305 (394930)
04-14-2007 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Rob
04-14-2007 12:19 AM


Sheesh
Rob writes:
So, you are saying that green frogs inhabit your rectum?
You are free to believe any nonsense you want Rob.
That still has NOTHING to do with the fact that so far no one has been able to show an example of an absolute moral that stood up to examination or that there is some absolute morality.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 191 of 305 (394933)
04-14-2007 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by Rob
04-14-2007 12:46 AM


Re: Sheesh
Sorry Rob, but just more irrelevant nonsense. This is a thread in "Is it Science" which is one of the Science forums.
Your preaching is pointless and immaterial here.

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jar
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Message 236 of 305 (396634)
04-21-2007 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Rob
04-21-2007 12:08 PM


Where's the Beef?
The only place we can find an absolute is in the moral law.
You keep asserting that but so far have never bothered to show us an example of such a thing as Absolute Morality or an Absolute Moral.
Such a critter may well exist but until one can be found and examined, there is no evidence it exists.
So far every moral law presented has just been a relative thing dependent on societal consensus.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 242 of 305 (396640)
04-21-2007 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Rob
04-21-2007 1:18 PM


Re: Where's the Beef?
What does that have to do with Absolute Morality or Absolute Morals?
Was Cho in his right mind?
Unknown.
Did he do anything wrong when he killed those people?
Under our current legal code, yes he did.
Or was he just dancing to his perception of reality and otherwise faultless?
Yes he was dancing to HIS perception of reality.
Under our current legal codes we do not have an answer. If he was insane, then he is not legally responsible for his actions. If he was insane, then he is not morally responsible for his actions.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 245 of 305 (396655)
04-21-2007 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Rob
04-21-2007 3:06 PM


Re: Where's the Beef?
Of course. All legality and morality we can know seems to be man made. So far no one has been able to show any other kind.
Instead of your irrelevant one liners do you ever intend to post anything that is on topic and relevant?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 249 of 305 (396662)
04-21-2007 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by Rob
04-21-2007 3:52 PM


Still stupid irrelevancies.
Do you ever plan on posting something on topic?
Would I be doing anything that is 'actually' wrong if I didn't?
Yes, you will be continuing to not follow the rules and guidelines of this forum.
You will be continuing the same behavior that has gotten you sanctioned in the past.
You will be exhibiting the classic symptom of "Insanity" by repeating the same actions while expecting different results.
You, as usual, will be avoiding responding honestly or supporting your assertions.
You will be continuing to show that your perceptions of reality are based not on reality but on some imaginary fancy that you are actually discussing things.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 263 of 305 (396817)
04-22-2007 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by Rob
04-22-2007 1:46 AM


Re: Still stupid irrelevancies.
So the rules governing any given system are absolute and determined by the creator/creators of said system?
No, the rules are relative and created by the users of the system. They are not the product of the creator of the system.
And any violation of them is an 'actual' offense of an objective essential to the system and demands justice?
That is simply more of your jabberwocky. Justice has nothing to do with the issue. Your behavior is a violation of the terms and conditions that you accepted.
Frankly Rob, I have no problem with your continued failure to actually address points, it allows the readers to see how absolutely bankrupt your theology really is. The readers can see that there is a pattern and the pattern is that for every issue, Rob simply tries to move the goal posts, post irrelevant material from some imagined "Authority" or toss out yet another irrelevant issue like justice as though justice was some absolute.

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