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Author Topic:   Near-death experiences and consciousness
nator
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Message 56 of 145 (264324)
11-29-2005 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by randman
11-29-2005 7:22 PM


Re: Under Discussion for one.
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Btw, as an aside, it's interesting that one piece of a skull can warrant articles, reconstructions, and reviews of evolutionary paths and is treated as significant non-anecdotal evidence, but at the same time, an account of a NDE where someone remembers specifics while their brain was not functioning is anecdotal.
Imo, this simply shows the incredible inconsistency and biasness of science overall towards certain belief systems.
Randman, what is the difference between the report of an NDE, a report of someone being abducted by aliens, and a report of a person waking up in bed, unable to move and there being a malevolent being in the room?

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nator
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Message 74 of 145 (264398)
11-30-2005 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Ben!
11-29-2005 9:58 PM


Re: Filling in
well, not really. the brain doesn't need to be active the whole time, just the btis before and after. we like to fill in stuff, and compensate for holes in our memory.
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I'm not familiar with research in this area. Mind if I ask for more links?
Aw, hell.
Can you provide some links to the kind of research you have in mind for "filling in" ?
I can't vouchfor arach's claims regarding when the brain needs to be active. However, it is pretty well esablished in the literature that memory is a reconstruction. As such, we do fill in the gaps in our memories with what our brain considers appropriate details.
That is why false memories are so easy to construct and implant.

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nator
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Message 102 of 145 (264591)
11-30-2005 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by crashfrog
11-30-2005 3:27 PM


Re: what misdirection?
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why do we need brains at all? Why not have an empty skull? Maybe with a little hatch on the back to store things?
ROTFLMAO!!

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nator
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Message 111 of 145 (264724)
12-01-2005 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by arachnophilia
12-01-2005 12:04 AM


Re: what misdirection?
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and even if the perception is that these events happen whole there is no brain activity period, that doesn't mean they neccessarily did -- false memories, hallucinations, blackouts, and dreams tend not to occur in real time, so it's really impossible to sync up the brain's subconcious perception of time to a real clock.
It would be possible if they were getting an FMRI brain scan at the time.
But that's impractical, as if they died in the scanner, they probably wouldn't be coming back to report any NDE's.

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