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Author Topic:   Evolution is a religion. Creation is a religion.
toff
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Message 25 of 180 (4364)
02-13-2002 2:42 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by KingPenguin
02-12-2002 10:32 PM


quote:
Originally posted by KingPenguin:
ey go christian!!! woooo.
look at it this way evolutionists, God and the bible have been around in all of civilized society and are accepted as fact, we dont need evidence; you need to disprove it, good luck with that (contradictions in the bible dont prove anything other than bad story telling). Evolution is very new theory and has to be proven and still fit in with the facts already layed down, it also cant be made on any assumptions or guesses. it has to be 100% pure evidence otherwise it isnt science, even according to yourselves. we dont really need to show whats wrong with evolution, but where being nice and showing you the faults.

Umm...no. God might have (unproven and unprovable) but the bible has been around for something less than 2,000 years...civilization (ie., civilized society) has been around for around 10,000 years. That's your first error.
Your second error is that the bible is accepted as fact. It is accepted as fact by a comparatively small portion of the world's population, and as literal fact by an even smaller.
And you (again) completely misunderstand science. Science is about theorising over observed facts. The fact of evolution has been proven time and time again. Sorry. Evolution is science; creationism is religion. Check any dictionary for a definition of religion, any science text for a definition of science.

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toff
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Message 29 of 180 (4379)
02-13-2002 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Christian1
02-13-2002 8:26 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Christian1:
Lud, I can answer you ALL in one simple statement. I believe in creation, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME RIGHT. And proabilities don't make Evolution (a belief) science. The most rediculas part of your argument is that you WILL NOT admit that Evolution is a religion and not science.
Again, Science is used to test and observe. Evoulion does not do this, Evolution is a belief, the same as creation.
Oh, I will answer one question specifically. If others want to learn about creation and see it's proof look out side. The earth did not just "poof" and appear, someone or something created it. Look around you. The house or building you are sitting in and the computer you are typing did not just "poof" and appear, someone or something created it. Look at how perfect these things are. These perfections do not happen by chance. Imagine if someone told you that there was a hurricane and then "poof" the gods of evolution gave a brand new p4 2ghz with 256mb of ram and a 24x CD-RW. I'm sorry, that is how rediculas I think your belief is when you call it science.
One more point, "poof" is a evolutionist's favorite word. "poof" sound alot like MAGIC!
The bible's divine intervention is not something "I" can prove. I wasn't there. Nor were you to prove aginst it. But oh yeah, I forgot, I'm not calling my belief......SCIENCE.

Sorry, but evolution is a science, not a religion. Evolution observes, theorises, predicts, observes, revises theories...and so forth. This is precisely what a science is supposed to do. On the other hand, a religion...
religion Pronunciation Key (r-ljn)
n.
1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
3. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
4. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
5. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
Now, in what way does evolution satisfy the above definition? It doesn't. Oh, you can do what creationists who maintain this line normally do when confronted with an actual dictionary definition, and claim that evolution qualifies as a religion under definition #5 - which, technically, it does. Of course, so does bowling, or fly fishing, or any other activity humanly possible. If that's what you mean - that evolution is a 'religion' in the same way that bowling is a 'religion', then you're right. But I doubt that that's what you mean. And if it's not, then sorry, the dictionary does not support your position. Unless you are using the word to mean 'an activity pursued with zeal', evolution is not a religion. Sorry.
Oh, and 'poof' isn't an evolutionists favourite word, either.
And, sorry again, but 'creation' and 'creationism' are two completely distinct things. You mention things like the earth, houses, buildings...none of those things have anything to do with evolution. Two of them are built by humans, and the third (the earth) was, possibly, created by a creator of some sort - the origin of the earth is the domain of astrophysics. Again, it has nothing to do with evolution, so I don't quite know why you mentioned it.
By the way...I don't mean to sound patronising, but have you actually studied evolution? Know anything about it? How it works? How it (supposedly) makes things go 'poof'?
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toff
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Message 109 of 180 (5213)
02-21-2002 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Christian1
02-20-2002 4:38 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Christian1:
I began to read, study, and understand the bible and discussed it with friends, needless to say I realized that I was wrong for believing in evolution.
Sorry, it's not 'needless' to say that you realised that you were wrong for believing in evolution, since it's only a very small percentage of christians who feel that way. Most christians (including the people converted to it) realise that christianity is in no way contradicted by evolutionary theory, and don't have to 'abandon' it. So for you to say you were converted, it is certainly needed to say that you realised you were wrong to believe in evolution, if that is your point, because if you didn't say so, we would have no reason to believe that you did so. [QUOTE] [b]Evolution is based on beliefs with no proof, the fact that you believe in it makes it a religion. [/QUOTE]
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Sorry, but this sentence makes me think you don't even know what 'religion' means. Something believed in is not automatically religious. A religion requires a belief in a god, higher being, deity, etc. None of this applies to evolution. Check any dictionary - evolution does not fall under the definition of 'religion'. Sorry.
[QUOTE] [b]The reason Evolutionist's refuse to admit that thier belief is religious is becase it would not be able to be taught in schools, and would be thrown out on to the street the same as you have tried to do with God.[/QUOTE]
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Sorry, the reason evolutionists refuse to admit that their belief [in it] is religious is because it isn't, and nobody but creationists tries to insist that it is. Check a dictionary (again).
quote:
Evolution is attempting to erase God. I'm sorry, God is going to erase Evolution.
Umm...sorry, evolution isn't trying to do anything of the kind. In America, the vast majority of scientists (99.999%) believe in evolution. Yet about 50% of them are also christian. Most christians believe in both. To say that evolution is trying to erase god, or stop people from believing in him is simply ludicrous. It is a scientific theory, which deals in no way whatsoever with any god or deity.
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