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Christian1 Inactive Member |
Creation is a religion, Evolution is a RELIGION, Science is what we can observe and test to be true. My religion is proved over and over and over and over and over and over and evolutionists cannot offer even an shred of solid proof. Yet they call evolution "science". Please do not get this mixed up.
If you have proof of evolution "a scientific experiment, in a complete form with facts and without doubts or other theories" I'm going to tell you where you can get $250,000 for it. Please visit http://www.drdino.com to collect. Those of you who believe in God and Evolution should watch Dr. Hovind's videos which can be found on the "money link" or even read and understand the bible. The mear fact that evolutionists chalk their religion up as being "science" is painfully mistaken, there is no proof or science experiment that supports the theroy of evolution. I've seen the bible proven to be acurate time and time again and untill it is proven wrong, I will continue have my beliefs as a True Christian and creationist. And keep in mind that God created "TIME" as well, proof is spoken in the book of genius. [This message has been edited by Christian1, 02-12-2002]
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Christian1 Inactive Member |
quote: Please do go back and read my reply. Again you are bashing Dr. Hovind, you are not proving evolution. I know it must make you SOOOOOOO mad to know that when you try to prove evolution, you in turn make your self look like a complete ass when Dr. Hovind reminds you that it is only your belief not a fact.
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Christian1 Inactive Member |
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Percipient:
Not sure why you're repeating your original assertion instead of responding to the messages. In message 2 Joz pointed out that Hovind's offer has already been discussed in another thread. In message 3 Mark described evidence for evolution. In message 4 Schraf explained that science doesn't deal in "proofs" and pointed you to a website that provides a good overview of what science is. It appears your points have been addressed, not as politely as I would have liked perhaps, but addressed all the same. Have you anything to say in response? --Percy[/b][/QUOTE] My telling you that Evolution is a religion irritates you? You say that Creation cannot be proven. You say that Evolution can be proven, and yet evolutionist's offer more theories which they "believe" support thier original theory. People discuss Hovind's offer as though it is a fake offer, though as you misunderstand the bible, which I don't fully understand the bible, you misunderstand Hovidn's offer, and twist his words and try to make him look like a fool as he has done to many Evolutionist's in many of his debates. Hovind's offer simply states to show him proof of evolution as he has shown you proof of creation, and he also shows you proof that evolutionist's hide eveidence of creation or excuse it as inacurate. When I speak to you I don't try to deter you or lie to you, I am simply posting one fact. To add upon it, Evolution, Creation, and Science are three differnt things. Evolution is often mistaken as science, when it can not be proven. If you can't prove it, what makes it science? Creationis't do not claim that Creation is science, Creation is not science it is a religion. Again, Science is what we can observe and test to be true/fact. When you say that God did not create the heavens and the earth, were you there? I know I wasn't, but I do believe that God created the heavens and the earth. The book of God's word said so. Were you there when your car was created? NO? Does that mean in evolved? Do you believe that it evolved? Everything was created by something somewhere. When? Where? I guess, only God knows. He tells you.....in the bible.
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Christian1 Inactive Member |
quote: You may say ...Evolution is a plastic soap dish - if it please you, but that doesn’t make it a plastic soap dish.Please do not get this mixed up. [reply]You may say "...that Creation is wrong and that Evolution is right" - if it so pleases you, but that doesn't mean you are right.Please do not get that mixed up. Evolution and Science do not mesh, Science is Evolutions worst nightmare. Evolution is a belief such as Creation. Can you prove that Evolution is acurate, can you prove it with science, please... no more theories about why Evolution is true. Ok next point....... quote: Proof refers to mathematics. Shall we discuss science instead ? [reply] No, Science and Math work hand in hand, hmmmm, was I talking math? I could have sworn I was talking about Evolution, Science, and Creation. This is a phrase used to deter you for the orignal question. Can you prove Evolution with science which what Evolution is claimed to be?.....hmmmmm... next point....
quote: Proof refers to mathematics. Please do not get this mixed up. and Hovind knows even less about REAL science than you know of spell checkers. [reply] My ability to spell is completely irrelivent as evolutionist's abilty to lie become irrelivent to them when they are attempting to prove thier theory is SCIENCE...... next point.... ::tired::
quote: Like Pi = 3 ?You’ll have to show me your work first. [reply] work? God already showed you his work, look around, this didn't just....HAPPEN!! oh yeah, "POOF"....LOL How about when Jesus mistakenly tells his followers that he will return and establish his kingdom within their lifetime? [reply] which life? not time, don't be confused. Matthew, 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. [reply] some of you will be saved, some will not. hmmmmmmm. mabye? Matthew, 23:36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Matthew, 24:34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. is THAT ‘proven to be acurate [sic] time and time again’ ? That’s some pretty sloppy standards of accuracy. [reply] has the second coming happened yet? Which generation is being refered to? The generation of man? The generation of man after the first coming of Christ? hmmmmm.....sloppy?? if you say so.
quote: and apparently even after it’s proven wrong. [reply] LOL, when has creation been proven to be wrong? When has Evolution been proved to be right? If it was proved right, why does Dr. Hovind still have his $250,000 in his pocket? He also invites to prove him wrong. Who gave you the right to obilish Creation? Where is your proof? If I'm sorry, mabye next time.
quote: Book of Genius, eh? Written by the same genius that could create a universe, destroy the earth with a global flood but couldn't drive out the valley people because they had chariots of iron? Judges, 1:19And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Makes me wonder what His reaction would be if the valley people had Buicks instead. [reply] Did you interperate this as though to say the Lord is weak? Are you assuming that the Lord attepmted to drive them out? After reading more of this chapter, I interperate it as though the Lord with with Judah while Judah was doing this. You're set, buddy. Keep up the denial, it’s working for you. regards, jeff [This message has been edited by Jeff, 02-12-2002] [reply] You are attacking me, and what I say. I still don't see proof. And don't use the bible to try to prove the bible wrong. That will never work!!!
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Christian1 Inactive Member |
quote: Why do you insist that I prove my belief? When others ask you and other evolutionist's to prove evolution, why is thier answer so incomplete and full of more beliefs? My proof is in the bible, if you want specific proof, ask Dr. Hovind, heh, if you dare or read the bible which others have taken the time to study. Dr. Hovind is much better at specifics than I am. And the bible has already been written. If you don't believe him, the bible, and God, why don't you prove me, Dr. Hovind, and the bible wrong? And I do urge you and other evolutionist's to be truthful and not work around the questions as though they are not there. I would like an answer on if we evolved, why are we not evolving? If it is science, why can't you prove it? Do I need to prove that the Earth is there, here, everywhere? Do I need to prove that we exist? If my beliefs are wrong, why do so many people swear and take the lords name in vein? Who is your lord? I can't rationalize that "we JUST exist" or "evolved from nothing", there had to be something not nothing. If you give nothing, you get nothing, that is a fact.
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Christian1 Inactive Member |
quote: Lud, I can answer you ALL in one simple statement. I believe in creation, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME RIGHT. And proabilities don't make Evolution (a belief) science. The most rediculas part of your argument is that you WILL NOT admit that Evolution is a religion and not science. Again, Science is used to test and observe. Evoulion does not do this, Evolution is a belief, the same as creation. Oh, I will answer one question specifically. If others want to learn about creation and see it's proof look out side. The earth did not just "poof" and appear, someone or something created it. Look around you. The house or building you are sitting in and the computer you are typing did not just "poof" and appear, someone or something created it. Look at how perfect these things are. These perfections do not happen by chance. Imagine if someone told you that there was a hurricane and then "poof" the gods of evolution gave a brand new p4 2ghz with 256mb of ram and a 24x CD-RW. I'm sorry, that is how rediculas I think your belief is when you call it science. One more point, "poof" is a evolutionist's favorite word. "poof" sound alot like MAGIC! The bible's divine intervention is not something "I" can prove. I wasn't there. Nor were you to prove aginst it. But oh yeah, I forgot, I'm not calling my belief......SCIENCE.
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Christian1 Inactive Member |
quote: I agree that people base the theory evolution on scientific facts. That does not make Evolution science. Most of evolution is beliefs and theories. The same as creation. This is the most difficult thing for such "smart" people to understand. Another word for it is "Blindness".
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Christian1 Inactive Member |
quote: Main Entry: sciencePronunciation: 'sI-&n(t)s Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin scientia, from scient-, sciens having knowledge, from present participle of scire to know; probably akin to Sanskrit chyati he cuts off, Latin scindere to split -- more at SHED Date: 14th century 1 : the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding 2 a : a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study b : something (as a sport or technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge 3 a : knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method b : such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena : NATURAL SCIENCE 4 : a system or method reconciling practical ends with scientific laws 5 capitalized : CHRISTIAN SCIENCE Main Entry: Christian ScienceFunction: noun Date: circa 1867 : a religion founded by Mary Baker Eddy in 1866 that was organized under the official name of the Church of Christ, Scientist, that derives its teachings from the Scriptures as understood by its adherents, and that includes a practice of spiritual healing based on the teaching that cause and effect are mental and that sin, sickness, and death will be destroyed by a full understanding of the divine principle of Jesus's teaching and healing Ok, you tell me where it sais that it is to BELEIVE??? Here is the meaning of believe. Main Entry: believePronunciation: b&-'lEv Function: verb Inflected Form(s): believed; believing Etymology: Middle English beleven, from Old English belEfan, from be- + lyfan, lEfan to allow, believe; akin to Old High German gilouben to believe, Old English lEof dear -- more at LOVE Date: before 12th century intransitive senses 1 a : to have a firm religious faith b : to accept as true, genuine, or real 2 : to have a firm conviction as to the goodness, efficacy, or ability of something 3 : to hold an opinion : THINK transitive senses 1 a : to consider to be true or honest 2 : to hold as an opinion : SUPPOSE - believer noun - not believe : to be astounded at Main Entry: religionPronunciation: ri-'li-j&n Function: noun Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY Date: 13th century 1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance 2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices 3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith - religionless adjective if you don't believe me, look it your self. http://www.m-w.com
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Christian1 Inactive Member |
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After reading all your counters and beliefs. I still draw the same conclusion. I will say that you definately need to start thinking for your selves, which is a gift that God gave you. I am certian that you are all going to come to a sudden realization. There are so many things that your belief cannot explain, and as you said "Can never explain" that makes your belief impossable for and Christian to beleve.
God gave us all the gifts we need to persue a happy life including free will. If you read the bible you will see that God loves us all, Satan hates you, and Satan uses your free will to blind you, lie to you, and give you a false sence of hope. Stop by a Christian church and really listen. The pastor is talking to you. God is talking to you thourgh your pastor. If you have any doubts about Christianity, ask a Christian. If you ask someone whos been tricked by Satan, you will be lied to and tricked as well. Everything that happens, is happening, and has happened is ALL in the bible. When you are stuck with the question of unknown answers, ask your self.... Do I believe everything I see on TV? Everything I read? If the president of the US told me to give him my underpants, would I conform? From everything you've shown me, I can not believe that we came from a rock, or that we just "poof" became. I was created, so were you. God made time for you, now MAKE TIME FOR GOD!
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Christian1 Inactive Member |
TrueCreation,
Do you have a website? I'd like to check it out. Email me, amk_tfc@hotmail.com. Evolutionist's,You have seen the science that supports creation, I don't need to stick it back under your nose. The science that you claim supports evolution does not support anything to do with your belief. My intentions were not to enter into debate. It's not my fault that you are too "smart" to believe the bible, and too "smart" to interperate it correctly. If you were really interested in other solutions, you would read the bible with out skepticism and interpret it your self. As TrueCreation said, if you studied the Bible, there would be no debate.
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Christian1 Inactive Member |
The Great Debate,
If you read, study, and undestand the bible, there would be no debate. Why am I going to debate you, when you've been debated time and time again. You still pretend to understand the mumbo jumbo you call evidence, where there is no evidence that eveolution ever occured. What amazes me is that you find evidence of thing the bible has already talked about, and try to roll it all up to support evolution. There really is no debate and you can't prove evolution.
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Christian1 Inactive Member |
You think that by posting really long "tiresome" answers that it makes you inteligent? If you don't have my beliefs I don't think you are stupid, I only think your belief is stupid. I think your belief is stupid because there is no proof only what you believe is evidence. I'm sorry that you think that my mind isn't open and that I've been brainwashed. I stringly believe that infact you are the ones who've been brain washed. I don't fear science. You ask me for something you your self do not provide, and then attack me when I provide you with the same as you provide me. I actually thought I evolved because of what I was taught in school and had a belief in God at the same time. I began to read, study, and understand the bible and discussed it with friends, needless to say I realized that I was wrong for believing in evolution. I would definately say that I do have an open mind, and I also think reasonably. Evolution is based on beliefs with no proof, the fact that you believe in it makes it a religion. The fact that you cannot accept any other option makes you religious.
The reason Evolutionist's refuse to admit that thier belief is religious is becase it would not be able to be taught in schools, and would be thrown out on to the street the same as you have tried to do with God. Evolution is attempting to erase God. I'm sorry, God is going to erase Evolution. ...I wouldn't recommend attempting to engage in a debate with him.
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