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Christian1
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Message 1 of 180 (4244)
02-12-2002 1:26 PM


Creation is a religion, Evolution is a RELIGION, Science is what we can observe and test to be true. My religion is proved over and over and over and over and over and over and evolutionists cannot offer even an shred of solid proof. Yet they call evolution "science". Please do not get this mixed up.
If you have proof of evolution "a scientific experiment, in a complete form with facts and without doubts or other theories" I'm going to tell you where you can get $250,000 for it. Please visit http://www.drdino.com to collect.
Those of you who believe in God and Evolution should watch Dr. Hovind's videos which can be found on the "money link" or even read and understand the bible. The mear fact that evolutionists chalk their religion up as being "science" is painfully mistaken, there is no proof or science experiment that supports the theroy of evolution. I've seen the bible proven to be acurate time and time again and untill it is proven wrong, I will continue have my beliefs as a True Christian and creationist. And keep in mind that God created "TIME" as well, proof is spoken in the book of genius.
[This message has been edited by Christian1, 02-12-2002]

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Christian1
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Message 6 of 180 (4275)
02-12-2002 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by joz
02-12-2002 1:38 PM


quote:
Originally posted by joz:
What the offer that we discussed here?
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=1&t=48&p=2
If so it is what is known in the trade as spurious....
Just for reference what books on evolution by scientists have you read?

Please do go back and read my reply. Again you are bashing Dr. Hovind, you are not proving evolution. I know it must make you SOOOOOOO mad to know that when you try to prove evolution, you in turn make your self look like a complete ass when Dr. Hovind reminds you that it is only your belief not a fact.

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Christian1
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Message 9 of 180 (4295)
02-12-2002 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Percy
02-12-2002 5:21 PM


[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Percipient:
Not sure why you're repeating your original assertion instead of responding to the messages. In message 2 Joz pointed out that Hovind's offer has already been discussed in another thread. In message 3 Mark described evidence for evolution. In message 4 Schraf explained that science doesn't deal in "proofs" and pointed you to a website that provides a good overview of what science is. It appears your points have been addressed, not as politely as I would have liked perhaps, but addressed all the same. Have you anything to say in response?
--Percy[/b][/QUOTE]
My telling you that Evolution is a religion irritates you? You say that Creation cannot be proven. You say that Evolution can be proven, and yet evolutionist's offer more theories which they "believe" support thier original theory.
People discuss Hovind's offer as though it is a fake offer, though as you misunderstand the bible, which I don't fully understand the bible, you misunderstand Hovidn's offer, and twist his words and try to make him look like a fool as he has done to many Evolutionist's in many of his debates. Hovind's offer simply states to show him proof of evolution as he has shown you proof of creation, and he also shows you proof that evolutionist's hide eveidence of creation or excuse it as inacurate.
When I speak to you I don't try to deter you or lie to you, I am simply posting one fact. To add upon it, Evolution, Creation, and Science are three differnt things. Evolution is often mistaken as science, when it can not be proven. If you can't prove it, what makes it science? Creationis't do not claim that Creation is science, Creation is not science it is a religion. Again, Science is what we can observe and test to be true/fact.
When you say that God did not create the heavens and the earth, were you there? I know I wasn't, but I do believe that God created the heavens and the earth. The book of God's word said so. Were you there when your car was created? NO? Does that mean in evolved? Do you believe that it evolved? Everything was created by something somewhere. When? Where? I guess, only God knows. He tells you.....in the bible.

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Christian1
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Message 12 of 180 (4304)
02-12-2002 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Christian1
02-12-2002 7:29 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Christian1:
...Evolution is a RELIGION,

You may say ...Evolution is a plastic soap dish - if it please you, but that doesn’t make it a plastic soap dish.
Please do not get this mixed up.
[reply]You may say "...that Creation is wrong and that Evolution is right" - if it so pleases you, but that doesn't mean you are right.
Please do not get that mixed up. Evolution and Science do not mesh, Science is Evolutions worst nightmare. Evolution is a belief such as Creation. Can you prove that Evolution is acurate, can you prove it with science, please... no more theories about why Evolution is true. Ok next point.......
quote:
If you have proof of evolution "a scientific experiment, in a complete form with facts and without doubts or other theories" I'm going to tell you [ insert Hovind’s dishonest & worthless offer ]

Proof refers to mathematics. Shall we discuss science instead ?
[reply] No, Science and Math work hand in hand, hmmmm, was I talking math? I could have sworn I was talking about Evolution, Science, and Creation. This is a phrase used to deter you for the orignal question. Can you prove Evolution with science which what Evolution is claimed to be?.....hmmmmm... next point....
quote:
Those of you who believe in God and Evolution should watch Dr. Hovind's videos which can be found on the "money link" or even read and understand the bible. The mear fact that evolutionists chalk their religion up as being "science" is painfully mistaken, there is no proof or science experiment that supports the theroy of evolution.
Proof refers to mathematics. Please do not get this mixed up. and Hovind knows even less about REAL science than you know of spell checkers.
[reply] My ability to spell is completely irrelivent as evolutionist's abilty to lie become irrelivent to them when they are attempting to prove thier theory is SCIENCE...... next point.... ::tired::
quote:
I've seen the bible proven to be acurate time and time again
Like Pi = 3 ?
You’ll have to show me your work first.
[reply] work? God already showed you his work, look around, this didn't just....HAPPEN!! oh yeah, "POOF"....LOL
How about when Jesus mistakenly tells his followers that he will return and establish his kingdom within their lifetime?
[reply] which life? not time, don't be confused.
Matthew, 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
[reply] some of you will be saved, some will not. hmmmmmmm. mabye?
Matthew, 23:36
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Matthew, 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
is THAT ‘proven to be acurate [sic] time and time again’ ? That’s some pretty sloppy standards of accuracy.
[reply] has the second coming happened yet? Which generation is being refered to? The generation of man? The generation of man after the first coming of Christ? hmmmmm.....sloppy?? if you say so.
quote:
and untill it is proven wrong, I will continue have my beliefs as a True Christian and creationist.
and apparently even after it’s proven wrong.
[reply] LOL, when has creation been proven to be wrong? When has Evolution been proved to be right? If it was proved right, why does Dr. Hovind still have his $250,000 in his pocket? He also invites to prove him wrong. Who gave you the right to obilish Creation? Where is your proof? If I'm sorry, mabye next time.
quote:
And keep in mind that God created "TIME" as well, proof is spoken in the book of genius.
Book of Genius, eh? Written by the same genius that could create a universe, destroy the earth with a global flood but couldn't drive out the valley people because they had chariots of iron?
Judges, 1:19
And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Makes me wonder what His reaction would be if the valley people had Buicks instead.
[reply] Did you interperate this as though to say the Lord is weak? Are you assuming that the Lord attepmted to drive them out? After reading more of this chapter, I interperate it as though the Lord with with Judah while Judah was doing this.
You're set, buddy. Keep up the denial, it’s working for you.
regards,
jeff
[This message has been edited by Jeff, 02-12-2002]
[reply] You are attacking me, and what I say. I still don't see proof. And don't use the bible to try to prove the bible wrong. That will never work!!!

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Christian1
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Message 13 of 180 (4305)
02-12-2002 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by mark24
02-12-2002 8:01 PM


quote:
Originally posted by mark24:
I, & others have asked questions pertaining to your opening statement.
For myself, I would like the questions I pose in message 3 answered, specifically :
"In summary, to back up your claims, you need to :
1/ Give me proof of the divine nature of the bible. 6 Day Genesis would be nice. Since it has been "proved over and over and over and over and over and over", it shouldn't be too tricky.
2/ Explain the genetic evidences in a way that fits creation, not the scientific consensus.
3/ Explain why the Theory of Evolution isn't science, & how it doesn't meet the scientific method.
4/ Lastly, since you hold Hovind in such high regard, explain Hovinds ridiculous claims about cytochrome c, & what organism is allegedly closer to humans, instead of a chimpanzee. Giving the reason he makes his conclusions. If you can do this & make sense, you'll get a nobel prize."
I'll even make the cytochrome c question easy for you. Hovind claims that sunflowers are more closely related to humans, if cytochrome c similarities are used, & not chimpanzees after all.
http://home.mmcable.com/harlequin/evol/HovindLie.html
"Well, now, hold it. If you want to just pick one item and that's supposed to prove relationship, did you know that human Cytochrom [sic] C is closest to a sunflower? So really the sunflowers are our closest relative folks. It depends what you want to compare. If you want to compare the eyes, we are closest to an octopus. Not a chimpanzee. Pick something. What do you want to compare? Human blood specific gravity is closest to a rabbit or a pig. Human milk is closest to a donkey. It depends on what you want to compare. Pick something. If there were not some similarities between us and other animals we could only eat each other. So God designed all animals from the code so we could eat other plants and animals and digest them. Not proof for evolution. It's proof of a common Designer! "
Care to comment?
Have you read the replies that people took the time to write? You have had Jeff/Schraf question your use of the word proof, the inerrecy of the bible questioned, your understanding of what science does & doesn't do questioned, & yet here you are again, with the same old bumf.
So, instead of surmising how worried & irritated we all are, you might want to respond substantively to people, or we'll just think your full of hot air making baseless assertions, heaven forbid.
Mark

Why do you insist that I prove my belief? When others ask you and other evolutionist's to prove evolution, why is thier answer so incomplete and full of more beliefs? My proof is in the bible, if you want specific proof, ask Dr. Hovind, heh, if you dare or read the bible which others have taken the time to study. Dr. Hovind is much better at specifics than I am. And the bible has already been written. If you don't believe him, the bible, and God, why don't you prove me, Dr. Hovind, and the bible wrong? And I do urge you and other evolutionist's to be truthful and not work around the questions as though they are not there. I would like an answer on if we evolved, why are we not evolving? If it is science, why can't you prove it? Do I need to prove that the Earth is there, here, everywhere? Do I need to prove that we exist? If my beliefs are wrong, why do so many people swear and take the lords name in vein? Who is your lord? I can't rationalize that "we JUST exist" or "evolved from nothing", there had to be something not nothing. If you give nothing, you get nothing, that is a fact.

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Christian1
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Message 28 of 180 (4377)
02-13-2002 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by LudvanB
02-12-2002 9:50 PM


quote:
Originally posted by LudvanB:

Lud, I can answer you ALL in one simple statement. I believe in creation, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME RIGHT. And proabilities don't make Evolution (a belief) science. The most rediculas part of your argument is that you WILL NOT admit that Evolution is a religion and not science.
Again, Science is used to test and observe. Evoulion does not do this, Evolution is a belief, the same as creation.
Oh, I will answer one question specifically. If others want to learn about creation and see it's proof look out side. The earth did not just "poof" and appear, someone or something created it. Look around you. The house or building you are sitting in and the computer you are typing did not just "poof" and appear, someone or something created it. Look at how perfect these things are. These perfections do not happen by chance. Imagine if someone told you that there was a hurricane and then "poof" the gods of evolution gave a brand new p4 2ghz with 256mb of ram and a 24x CD-RW. I'm sorry, that is how rediculas I think your belief is when you call it science.
One more point, "poof" is a evolutionist's favorite word. "poof" sound alot like MAGIC!
The bible's divine intervention is not something "I" can prove. I wasn't there. Nor were you to prove aginst it. But oh yeah, I forgot, I'm not calling my belief......SCIENCE.

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Christian1
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Message 34 of 180 (4388)
02-13-2002 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Pete
02-13-2002 9:01 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Pete:
I don't actually think Creation is a religion.
Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Himduism, etc. these are
religions.
They have some form of scripture and belief structure which
is taught, and taken almost entirely on faith by their
followers.
Creation (in the sense of creationism i.e. in the context of THIS
forum) is a premise founded in Judeo-Christian belief systems.
The main point of these discussion threads is NOT to debate the
religous context of creationism, but the claims of some proponents
that creationism is scientific.
A part of that discussion is the defence of evolution.
Evolution is NOT a religion.
Evolution is a premise founded in observations of the natural world,
in the fields of biology, geology, and chemistry. It is concerned
ONLY with the diversity of the biological world.
Supporters of evolution may be passionate, but they are
open to rational discussion, and if presented with sufficiently
credible evidence will abandon/re-examine parts (or all) of their
theory.
Supporters of creation TEND (and I stress TEND) to be fervent in
their faith, and accept no evidence no matter how credible
that is contrary to the doctrines of their faith.
Provide me with incontrovertable evidence against evolution
and I will say 'How did I not see that! Of course that's wrong!'
Provide a creationist with incontrovertable evidence (and I'm not
saying their is any) and some will be likely to say 'Ah yes, but
if God wanted you to think that, you would, wouldn't you.'
Consider your own position.
Is it founded (as mine is) in a life-long study of science AND
religous belief, OR does it come from the things handed down to you
by your parents and ministers/priests/rabbis or whatever your faith has ?

I agree that people base the theory evolution on scientific facts. That does not make Evolution science. Most of evolution is beliefs and theories. The same as creation. This is the most difficult thing for such "smart" people to understand. Another word for it is "Blindness".

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Christian1
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Message 37 of 180 (4393)
02-13-2002 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by gene90
02-13-2002 10:50 AM


quote:
Originally posted by gene90:
Much of science is theories (and "beliefs" of sorts) because it is the job of science to not only collect empirical data but to compose theories to explain that data. Atomic theory and the Theory of Gravity are both theories, and science, just like evolution, but I don't see anyone complaining about them. That's because there is currently no substantial religious bias against the Theory of Gravity or Atomic Theory. The core of this argument is "My religion contradicts evolution, so evolution must be (1) wrong and (2) itself a religion." Right now we seem to be focusing on (2), an argument that will ultimately be determined by the determining whether or not evolutionary biology is consistent with methodology of science. I think it is and I ask that someone bring us specific examples that imply that it is not. I feel right now that there is a misunderstanding of what science is. Science is not only pure empiricism or cataloguing information, it is also categorizing that information, inventing intellectual models to explain that information (and those should be based on information already available), and to predict the outcome of the next observation or experiment to verify that model. (Now for the sake of better comprehending this post, let Model=Theory)
Creationism and "Creation Science" are not science because they start with a prior assumption and manipulate evidence to support the assumption; the assumption itself can never be discarded, however, contradictory evidence can be (See the Answers in Genesis Statement of Faith, Part F, URL at the bottom.) Creationism *could* make predictions but the methodology used by Creationists prevents any predictions from ever making Creationism false. Also Creationism precedes science, so that it cannot be correctly called, "a model to explain evidence, based upon evidence".
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/about/faith.asp
[This message has been edited by gene90, 02-13-2002]

Main Entry: science
Pronunciation: 'sI-&n(t)s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin scientia, from scient-, sciens having knowledge, from present participle of scire to know; probably akin to Sanskrit chyati he cuts off, Latin scindere to split -- more at SHED
Date: 14th century
1 : the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding
2 a : a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study b : something (as a sport or technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge
3 a : knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method b : such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena : NATURAL SCIENCE
4 : a system or method reconciling practical ends with scientific laws
5 capitalized : CHRISTIAN SCIENCE
Main Entry: Christian Science
Function: noun
Date: circa 1867
: a religion founded by Mary Baker Eddy in 1866 that was organized under the official name of the Church of Christ, Scientist, that derives its teachings from the Scriptures as understood by its adherents, and that includes a practice of spiritual healing based on the teaching that cause and effect are mental and that sin, sickness, and death will be destroyed by a full understanding of the divine principle of Jesus's teaching and healing
Ok, you tell me where it sais that it is to BELEIVE??? Here is the meaning of believe.
Main Entry: believe
Pronunciation: b&-'lEv
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): believed; believing
Etymology: Middle English beleven, from Old English belEfan, from be- + lyfan, lEfan to allow, believe; akin to Old High German gilouben to believe, Old English lEof dear -- more at LOVE
Date: before 12th century
intransitive senses
1 a : to have a firm religious faith b : to accept as true, genuine, or real
2 : to have a firm conviction as to the goodness, efficacy, or ability of something
3 : to hold an opinion : THINK
transitive senses
1 a : to consider to be true or honest b : to accept the word or evidence of
2 : to hold as an opinion : SUPPOSE
- believer noun
- not believe : to be astounded at
Main Entry: religion
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY
Date: 13th century
1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
- religionless adjective
if you don't believe me, look it your self.
http://www.m-w.com

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Christian1
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Message 41 of 180 (4405)
02-13-2002 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by mark24
02-13-2002 12:23 PM


quote:
Originally posted by mark24:
Percy,
1/ Belief in the religious, sans evidence sense.
Do you have evidence that there is no eveidence of creation or that the bible is right? If you can't prove evolution, why do you disprove creation?

2/ Belief in the evidence sense, as one of likelyhood, based on weight of evidence.

You claim there is evidence when all there is are beliefs and guesses.

Too many creationists try to get away with 1/ , when 2/ applies to evolution. If evolution was religion, there would be no weight of evidence.
Mark
Main Entry: religious
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French religieus, from Latin religiosus, from religio
Date: 13th century
1 : relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity
2 : of, relating to, or devoted to religious beliefs or observances
3 a : scrupulously and conscientiously faithful b : FERVENT, ZEALOUS
Where do you see your definition? I've even heared evolution referd to as the "Ultimate Reality"
oh, and here is the meaning"s" of belief.
Main Entry: belief
Pronunciation: b&-'lEf
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan
Date: 12th century
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
And before you go off on meaning #3, keep this in mind, there is no proof the the evidence you have shown is true. Then refer back to my original interpretation of science or look at the meaning we found in the dictionary.

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Christian1
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Message 51 of 180 (4484)
02-14-2002 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by nator
02-13-2002 7:45 PM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
You are confused as to what science is, and isn't.
Repeating your misunderstanding and erronious opinions will not get you very far here, I'm afraid.
I understand the meanings. Who gave you the right to change the meaning to more closely fit with your belief. Evolution is based on belief, it cannot be proven, and your tests only prove that "The planets were once spinning faster", "Something died", and you love the words "Millions of years" and my personal faveroite "POOF". The first two can be proven but are not evidence of evolution.

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Christian1
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Message 54 of 180 (4487)
02-14-2002 8:42 AM


After reading all your counters and beliefs. I still draw the same conclusion. I will say that you definately need to start thinking for your selves, which is a gift that God gave you. I am certian that you are all going to come to a sudden realization. There are so many things that your belief cannot explain, and as you said "Can never explain" that makes your belief impossable for and Christian to beleve.
God gave us all the gifts we need to persue a happy life including free will. If you read the bible you will see that God loves us all, Satan hates you, and Satan uses your free will to blind you, lie to you, and give you a false sence of hope. Stop by a Christian church and really listen. The pastor is talking to you. God is talking to you thourgh your pastor. If you have any doubts about Christianity, ask a Christian. If you ask someone whos been tricked by Satan, you will be lied to and tricked as well. Everything that happens, is happening, and has happened is ALL in the bible.
When you are stuck with the question of unknown answers, ask your self.... Do I believe everything I see on TV? Everything I read? If the president of the US told me to give him my underpants, would I conform? From everything you've shown me, I can not believe that we came from a rock, or that we just "poof" became. I was created, so were you. God made time for you, now MAKE TIME FOR GOD!

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Message 68 of 180 (4562)
02-15-2002 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by TrueCreation
02-14-2002 4:48 PM


TrueCreation,
Do you have a website? I'd like to check it out.
Email me, amk_tfc@hotmail.com.
Evolutionist's,
You have seen the science that supports creation, I don't need to stick it back under your nose. The science that you claim supports evolution does not support anything to do with your belief. My intentions were not to enter into debate. It's not my fault that you are too "smart" to believe the bible, and too "smart" to interperate it correctly. If you were really interested in other solutions, you would read the bible with out skepticism and interpret it your self. As TrueCreation said, if you studied the Bible, there would be no debate.

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Message 71 of 180 (4573)
02-15-2002 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by quicksink
02-15-2002 8:51 AM


The Great Debate,
If you read, study, and undestand the bible, there would be no debate. Why am I going to debate you, when you've been debated time and time again. You still pretend to understand the mumbo jumbo you call evidence, where there is no evidence that eveolution ever occured. What amazes me is that you find evidence of thing the bible has already talked about, and try to roll it all up to support evolution. There really is no debate and you can't prove evolution.

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Message 103 of 180 (5187)
02-20-2002 4:38 PM


You think that by posting really long "tiresome" answers that it makes you inteligent? If you don't have my beliefs I don't think you are stupid, I only think your belief is stupid. I think your belief is stupid because there is no proof only what you believe is evidence. I'm sorry that you think that my mind isn't open and that I've been brainwashed. I stringly believe that infact you are the ones who've been brain washed. I don't fear science. You ask me for something you your self do not provide, and then attack me when I provide you with the same as you provide me. I actually thought I evolved because of what I was taught in school and had a belief in God at the same time. I began to read, study, and understand the bible and discussed it with friends, needless to say I realized that I was wrong for believing in evolution. I would definately say that I do have an open mind, and I also think reasonably. Evolution is based on beliefs with no proof, the fact that you believe in it makes it a religion. The fact that you cannot accept any other option makes you religious.
The reason Evolutionist's refuse to admit that thier belief is religious is becase it would not be able to be taught in schools, and would be thrown out on to the street the same as you have tried to do with God. Evolution is attempting to erase God. I'm sorry, God is going to erase Evolution. ...I wouldn't recommend attempting to engage in a debate with him.

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