Evolution is a religion. Creation is a religion.

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--Percy

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[This message has been edited by Percipient, 02-14-2002]

If one creationist could make a full, perfect rebuttle to this overwhelming compilation of facts, I would immediately convert to Christianity. On the otherhadn, I wouldn't. If you were able to make a rebuttle to that, you would have fought half the battle. The next step is to present evidence PROVING THE BIBLE CORRECT. READ THROUGH IT ALL. OR COME BACK LATER. TRUST ME. ITLL END ALL DEBATE.Oh no. Im mistaken. All of this evidence was planted by satan, and we eternally damned evolutionists are his evil, loyal slaves, intent on destroying christianity and the word of god.damni just keep forgetting.

go to this site to find the informationhttp://atheism.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Friceinfo.rice.edu%2Farmadillo%2FSciacademy%2Friggins%2Fthings.htmcopy and paste into your browser.thanks a lot.And again.i would appreciate a debate worthy response form the creationists.

Hold on Christian1. Did you actually read all that stuff in a matter of minutes?wow!if you haven't do so.please don't go into sappy talks about faith and "god will lead the way to enlightenment". Don't divert to faith talk when you're threatened with science. Counter, or be laughed at.Thank you

I just can't stop talking. But here's a little "spirituality"i cooked up.>Before you go around beliving in a book by man, for man, consider this. The universe is comprised of 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 or more stars. EACH OF THESE STARS IS LIKELY TO HAVE A SOLAR SYSTEM, JUST LIKE OURS. There is like to be an infinite number of universes, as space (or maybe some sort of fourth dimension) can stretch forever. Each of these universes is likely to have its own natural laws that differ from ours. Each universe has billions or more stars like ours. Sounds kind of Star Treky, no? Well, we are a part of it. The news, the gossip, your friends, your family, everyone, is part of a cosmos so large that we are but a grain of sand on an infinite beach. Think of it for a while. It may take a few days to fathom. Maybe you should look at the sky one night. don't take the stars as little dots in the sky, but instead as worldlets just like yours and mine. EACH AND EVERYONE. Then take a trip to their star. Imagine looking into the sky and seeing our meak and lonely star.
When you finally begin to chip away at that shell of yours, you will begin to think beyond a book created by a few men on one planet in one solar sytem in one star cluster in one galaxy in one unviverse in one cosmos in one super-cosmos and so-forth. You will begin to see how insignificant everything you do and see is, and how the universe IS NOT CREATED FOR YOU. In fact, one philosopher said that to ask for a meaning to life is ridiculous. There is no answer. We're just here. Another scientist said that the universe and/or cosmos had no beginning. If there isn't a beginning, then there wasn't a creation, and therefore there wasn't a reason for creation.
Just think about it. you must think I'm a nutcase, but I'm not. When you finally begin to appreciate the magnificence of the universe, your world of religion will be stripped from you. Learn to accept that humans are not a boulder, but merely a grain, a grain of sand on an endless beach. This universe is far too queer to be explained by religion, science, or even man. Just live with it, and appreciate it.That was it. No more talking from me until i get a response.

Let me explain the fundamental difference between religion (creationism) and science (evolution). Creationism scrutinizes and oppresses scrutiny. Science scrutinizes AND promotes scrutiny. After all, science began and continues to exist through challenging traditional beliefs and current theories. Religion fails to produce anything of value, as it doesn't allow scrutiny. But then again, that's a sin.Religion has no scholars. It has caused countless wars. It continues to propagate tension and conflict.Its time for religion to get a facelift. People need to abandon traditional and far outdated beliefs.While science expands, religion contracts. There ain't room for the two of us.

It is false that evoltution is a religion.Evolution is,#1, not based on a book written by men during a mystical and superstitious age. It is based on the proven and sometimes disputed findings of men. Creationism is based solidly on a book and questionable discoveries (these discoveries do not expand our understanding of the universe, but merely attempt to prove the bible correct.) Note that despite the continuous expansion of science, creationism does not change. That is because it cant. Changes would contradict the Bible, which is the very foundation of creationism . In essence, they would be contradicting the root of their entire argument.Science on the other hand, is changable, as nothing is taken for complete fact. Debate is welcome and is in fact the very meaning of science. Change is happening every day.Note that despite everything science has proved, creationism has not changed the slightest (except when their beliefs are completely absurd, like the earth being flat [there are still people out their who believe that]). they are therefore holding on to a belief that was very possible when people didn;t know about science (gravity, physics, etc. etc.)Creationism has never made a breakthrough that shattered science. Science has made plenty of breakthroughs, though, ones that were so frightening that the pope took the time to ban them and threaten or even kill their believers.#2 Creationism "science" has not made any contributions to the scientific world. In fact, it's quite the contrary. Religion attacks science when its discoveries threaten traditional christian beliefs. It has not expanded our understanding of the universe in any way.#3 Evolution is actually very flexible. many people believe there is a god, and that he created man and all other life through evolution. therefore, any one from any religion can believe in evolution. So in a way it is a religion, a religion that can be universally aceepted, except by those who can't accept that their bible is simply a book of lessons.Thank youI hope this isn't off topic. If it is, delete it and I'll put it in my "evidence" topic.

kudos to you, peter and jeff, kudos

I used to be christian. I no longer believe in a god. I know some of the bible.thereAnd christian1, your reply was nothing but a bunch of babble. you did not even respond to the immense evidence against creationism. you simply fell back to the old "spirituality and faith" argument. You nearly back off. You throw your hands in the air and send us some rubbish like, "oh it's useless arguing with you".Evolutionist's,

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You have seen the science that supports creation, I don't need to stick it back under your nose. The science that you claim supports evolution does not support anything to do with your belief. My intentions were not to enter into debate. It's not my fault that you are too "smart" to believe the bible, and too "smart" to interperate it correctly. If you were really interested in other solutions, you would read the bible with out skepticism and interpret it your self. As TrueCreation said, if you studied the Bible, there would be no debate.

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one word- ignorant.i may be being aggressive, but when i see this kind of trash, it really makes me mad. you people (or at least some- truecreation at least attempts to defend with reasonable statements) just throw away science, or you make hollow claims.Creation1, i regret that you fee being smart enough to think rationally is a bad thing.>Would you read a science book without skepticism? I doubt it. We approach any theory with an open mind. That's how science has always functioned. But when something fails, we flushh down the toilet. If someone could come up with evolution shattering evidence that was credible and widespread, we'd all convert to christianity. Or maybe all except a few fundamentalists, who would say to us "it's not our fault you're to smart to believe science, and too smart to interpret it corectly."they would be idiots.you can head to truecreation's site if this person has one. if not, go to this one- http://atheism.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Friceinfo.rice.edu%2Farmadillo%2FSciacademy%2Friggins%2Fthings.htmi'm sure the guy who made it will become satan's chew toy, and is a sacrilegious idiot who os too smart to believe in or correctly interpret the bible, but just listen, and READ IT WITHOUT SKEPTICISM (actually, you shouldn;t do this, for if you did, you would not be capable to point out mistakes) AND INTERPRET IT YOURSELF.Oh and please defend the tower of babble. I'd be interested to hear how satan erased the evidence of it.ps. why the hell would you come to a forum titled "Creation vs. Evolution; The Great Debate" if you had no intention to debate.
(Or maybe you just can't debate now because the odds are stacked against you)

Oh and Christian1. Please enlighten me- how should I interpret millions of animals being taken from all over the world in a time when the world was not mapped, and put on a made boat by a few men during the bronze age over 100 yrs. This boat then managed to feed and maintain millions of animals for many, many days on a rough sea (including insects that would live for a maximum of three days, and required the fruit of fig trees to reproduce [figs were not aboard the ark]). The unicorn, which we have found no fossil records of, stayed on land and was washed away with the brackish water that would have wiped out all plants and fish that cannot tolerate both fresh and salt water. When the storm ceased, god actually made a rainbow IN A CLOUD (no rainbow has ever been seen IN A CLOUD), and promised that he would never create another flood that had been intended to punish humans, and had in the process wiped out all creatures on the planet (why didn't god just click his fingers and make all but a few humans disappear?). Then a few people who had apparently lived for 100 yrs in order to make a boat to save all the animal species on the planet (excluding the dinosaurs, who didn't esist during this day)somehow reproduced in Turkey and restored all cultures on the planet in their original forms, including the Egyptians and Chinese, who made no note of the great flood. Of course they restored all the cultures and the cities, including the pyramids. They then began farming a few years later in the salt soaked soil. At the same time, the two representatives of species in South America managed to head throught the deserts of the Mideast, the tundras of Siberia, the rockies of north america, and the blaring humidity of s. america back to their homes, which were stripped of all habitats. They managed to do this without eating any food, as all vegetation was killed, and did so without having one animal dying on the trail, as of course there have been no remains of koalas been found, in lets say asia. Meanwhile the fossils of only very primitive looking animals were fossilized, while other modern animals were not fossilized.Hmmm... on second thought, it all seems to make sense now...If you really ignore all common logic, it actuaally starts to seem possible. If only I wasa little more ignorant...

Ok- Christian1. you're right **. There isn't evidence of evolution. so what have you proved? Have you proved to me that the bible is true because evolution is false?absence of evidence is not evidence of absenceYou are a person in retreat and in denial. You talk about studying the bible with an open mind, and in the same breath proclaim evolution as a bunch of mumbo-jumbo.Tell me Christian1. Do you understand the theory of relativity? Is a Brown Dwarf proven to exist, or a theory? What is an event horizon? Whatis a quasar?Can't answer these? go and read your bible. That's something that you can understand (but not interpret)i find it almost amusing how you squirm and struggle. you seem almost angered by evolution. you don't respond to other posts. You just make baseless, senseless, claims.I'll never convince you that your precious bible is not true, but merely a fable. you'll just live your life as a lie.that's your choice.then again, you could open your mind.
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Peter- you are very good at this! Kudos to you. Im glad that an evolutionist has read the bible. i honestly don't think Christian1 knows what he's talking about.

Reading over the post again, I actually laughed. I think you are the one who is threatened by all that city folk mumbo-jumbo. YOu heard a man say he had read the bible and was a creationist.

correction: you heard a man say he had read the bible and was an evolutionist.

True Creation. You need to do your homework. It is completely false that the chinese made any references of floods. That is a proven fact. It is also completely untrue that vegetation would be abundant. Salt water ruins soil. This is also a fact. Farming is impossible in salty soil. this is also a fact.There would have been hundreds of thousands of species on board that ship. It is COMPLETELY UNTRUE THAT ALL INSECTS CAN REPRODUCE WITH WETNESS. THIS IS COMPLETELY UNTRUE.I'm a surprised that someone of your intelligence could really assume that koalas could survive a passage through a desert. Did you know that koalas will only eat eucolyptus (damn spelling!) trees? These, last time I checked, are not found in the deserts of Arabia.In addition, more than ten creation scientists have claimed to find the ark, all in different locations.The male fig wasp is born, and mates with a female while the female is in the larvae stages. the male then dies. the female is born pregneant and lives for 3 days. During this time it moves through fig fruits, which actually grow right from the trunks of trees. Inside these fruits are flowers (they are truly bizarre). Some flowers are male, and some female. The female wasp moves through a fig (it enters through an opening) where it finds a flower that has a long enough stemen to deposit the eggs. Once she has laid the eggs, she dies. The fig tree is dependent of the wasp for pollenation (look it upa dn spare me the time) and the wasp is ABSOLUTELY dependent on the fig fruit.DO NOT MAKE FALSE CLAIMS!You have made one of your biggest mistakes by admitting that dinosaurs existed in that time. If this were true, why weren't they on the ark... the bible distinctly said that each specie of animal was put on the ark.How did Noah survive 600 yrs? that ones a little odd.Oh, and on the flood records thing again- how in the world can you possibly believe rubbish about the Egyptians "mentioning a flood". I'd like proof of this from a non-creationist scientist. I'd like at least 3 records of this.Find it funny how there aren't actually that many fossils on this planet? Don't you think there would be millions of fossils of horses and cows and sloths and even humans. After all, most creationists claim that the smae flood that carved out the grand canyonOh... and here is something straight from the bible. you see i did a little research:Genesis 6
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This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high.[1]
[15] Hebrew 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high (about 140 meters long, 23 meters wide and 13.5 meters high) http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html#buildingWow! A lot animals in a pretty small wooden boat.Bringing all kinds of animals together in the vicinity of the ark presents significant problems.Could animals have traveled from elsewhere? If the animals traveled from other parts of the world, many of them would have faced extreme difficulties.Some, like sloths and penguins, can't travel overland very well at all.
Some, like koalas and many insects, require a special diet. How did they bring it along?
Some cave-dwelling arthropods can't survive in less than 100% relative humidity.
Some, like dodos, must have lived on islands. If they didn't, they would have been easy prey for other animals. When mainland species like rats or pigs are introduced to islands, they drive many indigenous species to extinction. Those species would not have been able to survive such competition if they lived where mainland species could get at them before the Flood.And before I continue, to believe that all fossils are younger than 6 thousand yrs old.because of if you do, and you believe that the fossils were deposited during the great flood (meaning these creatures [now extinct] would have been alive just before the flood), than you arrive at roughly 4 billion creatures to be placed aboard a 450 ft ship.give me a break
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