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cavediver
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Message 15 of 110 (481167)
09-09-2008 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Coragyps
09-09-2008 6:09 PM


I considered all that good theistic stuff I was raised in from early childhood until my mid-40's. Then I finally dumped it.
Really? That late? That's very interesting as I'm just emerging from the process myself, which began essentially with my arrival at EvC a few years back. I keep meaning to get a thread started on it. I'd be very interested in comparing experiences, if you would be willing?

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cavediver
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Message 91 of 110 (481927)
09-13-2008 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by mike the wiz
09-13-2008 2:30 PM


If Jack the ripper had no reason to kill his victims, he wouldn't have killed them. This means that it is possible to get no physical cause and effect, without a motivational cause.
I'm sorry, but what the hell is "reason" and "motivation"? (assuming for the latter that the noun naturally follows from your adjective - difficult to tell as I have no idea what it is)
The attempt to drag me into the semantics
you're wallowing in semantics - no one needs to drag you there...
If NO X then no cause Y and effect Z.
This is logically correct because physical causes and effects can't NECESSARILY happen without a motivation.
What?
Instead of stating that I am incorrect, first understand what I am saying.
Try for coherence rather than word-salad, and we might have a chance...
It is clear that I am correct.
Yep, clearly Please give up the layman philosophy - it really hurts the eyes...
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cavediver
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Message 95 of 110 (481934)
09-13-2008 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by mike the wiz
09-13-2008 2:44 PM


Yes, nice A-level psychology examination of jack the Ripper. Great. Now what the hell does this have to do with the creation (or not) of the Universe? Words like reason and motivation are very simple to use around humans as they help explain impossibly complex neural interactions that most have no hope of understanding. How can you be possibly be so naive to think that they naturally apply elsewhere? How much anger, embaressment, empathy, and love is there in F=ma, for example?
You know, a few years ago, I'm fairly sure your posts made some sort of sense. Now it looks like one to many 'shrooms in the tea.
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