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Author Topic:   Creationism - a clearer picture?
gene90
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Message 25 of 64 (5989)
03-02-2002 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Quetzal
03-02-2002 5:30 AM


[QUOTE]By Theo: [b]This is blind faith and begging the question. One cannot interpret the evidence in light of one's beliefs. That method will always confirm one's original beliefs.[/QUOTE]
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I agree so far. But which side is guilty of this?
quote:
Answers in Genesis Statement of Faith, Part Four, F.
F. By definition, no apparent, perceived, or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.

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ICR Tenets of Biblical Creationism: The Bible, consisting of the thirty-nine canonical books of the Old Testament and the twenty-seven canonical books of the New Testament, is the divinely-inspired revelation of the Creator to man. Its unique, plenary, verbal inspiration guarantees that these writings, as originally and miraculously given, are infallible and completely authoritative on all matters with which they deal, free from error of any sort, scientific and historical as well as moral and theological.
By the way, ICR's main page has an article from Impact 345 on the "Anthrax Virus", whatever that is. According to ICR it exists to make sure we are all adequately punished, just for being born, after that little incident back in the Garden.
quote:
The Biblical record of primeval earth history in Genesis 1-11 is fully historical and perspicuous, including the creation and fall of man, the curse on the creation and its subjection to the bondage of decay, the promised Redeemer, the worldwide cataclysmic deluge in the days of Noah, the post-diluvian renewal of man's commission to subdue the earth (now augmented by the institution of human govemment) and the origin of nations and languages at the tower of Babel. Ibid.
To be admitted to ICR's graduate school, all prospective students
must believe in all their tenets of Creationism and Biblical Creationism, notably, special creation, Flood, young Earth, no evolution.
quote:
ICR Admissions. The Institute for Creation Research Graduate School is looking for serious students who are committed to excellence in science, education, and research and who are in full agreement with the ICR Tenets.
At least I can say that ICR doesn't discriminate based upon religion, as long as the prospective student signs their tenets and is Christian:
[QUOTE][b]The Institute for Creation Research Graduate School admits Christian students of any gender, race, color, national or ethnic origin to all the rights, privileges, programs, and activities available to students.[/QUOTE]
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The Creation Research Society also begs the question before one can even join:
[QUOTE][b]The CRS advocates the concept of special creation (as opposed to evolution), both of the universe and of the earth with its complexity of living forms. Membership in the Society requires agreement with the CRS Statement of Belief.[/QUOTE]
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http://www.creationresearch.org/about_crs.htm
Here are some of the beliefs members are required to adhere to before joining:
[QUOTE][b]1. The Bible is the written Word of God, and because it is inspired throughout, all its assertions are historically and scientifically true in the original autographs. To the student of nature this means that the account of origins in Genesis is a factual presentation of simple historical truths.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE][b]2. All basic types of living things, including man, were made by direct creative acts of God during the Creation Week described in Genesis. Whatever biological changes have occurred since Creation Week have accomplished only changes within the original created kinds[/QUOTE]
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http://www.creationresearch.org/hisaims.htm
What if CRS found strong evidence against their beliefs? Then the paper would not qualify for publication.
[QUOTE][b]Papers dealing with the age of the earth/universe must be either from a young-earth perspective or offer a positive/constructive criticism of that perspective. Papers from an old-earth/old-universe perspective will not be considered.[/QUOTE]
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International Creationism Conference call for papers, 1996
http://www.creationresearch.org/creation_matters/96/cm9607.html#anchorICC
So AiG, ICR, and CRS all make the starting assumption that Genesis is literally correct and ToE is wrong. How scientific "Creation Science" is after all.

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gene90
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Message 31 of 64 (5998)
03-02-2002 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by TrueCreation
03-02-2002 1:30 PM


You still haven't explained how wild lions get milk and processed rice, TC. And malnutrition would have contributed to disease susceptibility, so you can't make a claim that the premature death of the animal wasn't related to its diet, it is a distinct possibility. You seem to have overlooked again the fact that captive lions should live to be 25, Tyke only made it to 9.
And your root premise is not falsifiable. From AiG's footnote:
[QUOTE][b]The Bible does not give us details of how the change from plant-eating to meat-eating has occurred after the Fall; one possibility is by divine ‘redesign’. Hence, even if lions today did need meat to survive, it would not invalidate Genesis.[/QUOTE]
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So you're wasting our time with a non-scientific presumption, because if we were to completely defeat your argument this view of the pre-Flood world would persist.

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gene90
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Message 33 of 64 (6003)
03-02-2002 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by LudvanB
03-02-2002 1:57 PM


A little bitter today?

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