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Author Topic:   The definition of science: What should it be?
nator
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Message 65 of 100 (323625)
06-19-2006 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by ringo
06-09-2006 1:49 PM


I thought it was all about evangelising myself.
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Evangelizing yourself? You mean even the choir has stopped listening?
ROTFLMAO!!!

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nator
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Message 66 of 100 (323628)
06-19-2006 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Rob
06-17-2006 11:22 AM


Re: Ontological vs methodological
science seeks truth but understands that it is unachievable
quote:
Why pursue what is not achievable?
Because, if we work very hard and are very patient, we can get very, very, very close to the truth.
And also because the "best current explanations" of natural phenomena that science has given us has done some hugely wonderful things for humanity.

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nator
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Message 70 of 100 (323639)
06-19-2006 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Rob
06-19-2006 11:15 PM


Re: Ontological vs methodological
Because, if we work very hard and are very patient, we can get very, very, very close to the truth.
quote:
How will you ever know that it's true?
We won't ever have perfect knowledge of anything, but we can know with a good degree of confidence when we are on the right track.
Perhaps we should stop using the word "truth" and start using the word "accurate" instead. Science strives to create models (aka theories) of natural phenomena which have greater and greater accuracy.
A particularly accurate theory will survive many tests, and it will have great predictive and explanatory power. It will also often give rise to entire new fields of scientific study.

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nator
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Message 78 of 100 (323777)
06-20-2006 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Rob
06-19-2006 11:46 PM


Re: Ontological vs methodological
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Confidence is your weakness...
Jesus said plainly, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.'
And Schraf, it's not that that is not true, it is the most profoundly true thing you will ever hear. Stunning in it's boldness and impossibleness... UNLESS! that guy really was who He said He was.
And the only reason you can't accept the possibility is???
Yeah...right...whatever.
Your reply has nothing to do with the question you asked and the answer I provided, and, indeed, is simply a lame preaching attempt to derail the subject.
Remember, we are in a science forum.
So, I'll remind you that you asked:
quote:
How will you ever know that it's true?
...and I asnwered:
We won't ever have perfect knowledge of anything, but we can know with a good degree of confidence when we are on the right track.
Perhaps we should stop using the word "truth" and start using the word "accurate" instead. Science strives to create models (aka theories) of natural phenomena which have greater and greater accuracy.
A particularly accurate theory will survive many tests, and it will have great predictive and explanatory power. It will also often give rise to entire new fields of scientific study.
Now, how about that second paragraph?
I think that you need to differentiate between Truth and truth.
If you think that you will find Truth (some kind of Ultimate Answer to the Meaning of Life) from science, you are barking up the wrong tree.
Methodological Naturalism is simply a tool; an extremely effective, useful, productive tool. We use it to untangle the puzzles of natural phenomena.
It has nothing at all to say about meaning.

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