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ringo

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Message 10 of 100 (319087)
06-08-2006 1:02 PM

Reply to: Message 9 by Rob
06-08-2006 11:17 AM

Religion and Science

Rob writes:

By admitting that we are corrupt. Only then will the truth of the Bible begin to make sense.

Actually, the Bible makes a lot more sense if you give up that "corruption" dogma.

Seems to me that all is devolving. The atmosphere is being polluted, energy used up, etc. All because of sin.

Those problems have nothing to do with "devolution" (or sin). More like stupidity.

But all of this is pretty off-topic in the science forums. We have some very active religious forums too - you'd be welcome to discuss those ideas over there.

Any biters in the stream?

Ask again after you've been eaten alive.

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Message 20 of 100 (319561)
06-09-2006 1:49 PM

Reply to: Message 18 by iano
06-09-2006 9:58 AM

iano writes:

I thought it was all about evangelising myself.

Evangelizing yourself? You mean even the choir has stopped listening?

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Message 63 of 100 (323610)
06-19-2006 10:14 PM

Reply to: Message 62 by Rob
06-19-2006 8:42 PM

Rob writes:

Frog Crashes:

If you say so, but honestly I'm not aware of any area where the basic idea of consensus observation wouldn't work. Maybe you have something in mind?

Yes! Nazi Germany? Joseph Mengala?

Mengele chose who lived and who died on his own personal whims. That's about as far from "consensus observation" as it's possible to get.

Rob writes:

Frog Crashes:

And I put my trust in those who get results. The results of science are manifest. The results of wooly, spiritual thinking? Bupkis.

Adolf Hitler and Joseph Mengala got results...

Hitler was the ultimate example of wooly thinking.

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ringo

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Message 71 of 100 (323640)
06-19-2006 11:26 PM

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06-19-2006 11:14 PM

Rob writes:

Actually, Hitler did what was perfectly natural and up to date scientifically at the time.

You miss the point completely. In Message 62, you claimed Hitler and Mengele as examples of "consensus observation". That's completely false.

Hitler and Mengele may have gotten results, but the results they aimed for came from their wooly thinking - nothing scientific about it.

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