A Quick Look at Creationist and Evolutionist Websites

Hey all,Not too long ago, I discovered that Answers in Genesis UK was at my college giving a talk on evolution and creation. Unfortunately, I didn't find out in time to get to the talk; I managed to pick up one of their 'creation catalogues' instead, and I got to chat with one of their speakers for a few minutes.I only had a few questions - "What's the deal here?" and "If you're not a Christian, why should you care?" The answers were a bit strange... I was told that AiG were not interested in proving the bible, they just want to answer the "Big Questions that everyone asks at some point in their lives". Great emphasis was put on the fact that many scientists supported them, although nothing specific was said. They also said that they were not anti-evolution.I felt that I was being lied to, and I was angry that they were lying to the students that went to that talk. I knew that AiG was interested in proving the bible, because I've seen their website. In their catalogue, one book being advertised was called "Evolution - the Anti-God Religion of Death". (Most of the catalogue followed that theme - page after page of books, DVDs and videos slamming evolution and flagrantly pushing creationism. Then I got to the childrens' section... and I started to feel sick.)This has prompted me to look at a number of different websites, just in the interests of making some kind of a comparison. I put two terms into Google - "creation science" (returned 6,980,000 matches) and "evolutionist" (returned 52,400 matches) - in order to get a selection of sites supporting creation and evolution, which I then compared.CREATIONIST SITESTurnPike Web Hosting Services and E-Commerce Solutions by Crystal Lust
- Unreferenced, mostly inaccurate creationist propaganda. Little Statement of Faith (SoF) at the bottom of the page. Appears to be run by computer scientists. Sells books. Dinosaur Adventure Land
- Kent Hovind's page. Intersting that the ministery and shopping sections are listed above the science one... Part weird paranoia, part evangelism, part crazy. The FAQ is funny, though.

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The Institute for Creation Research | The Institute for Creation Research
- SoF tucked away in the About ICR link. Otherwise looks professional - very much concerned with disproving evolution, not much on proving creation.

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Center for Scientific Creation – In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood
- Online edition of a book written by Dr. Walt Brown. Short FAQ, has a lot of appeals to disbelief. Otherwise proposes the 'Hydroplate Theory' as an alternative to plate tectonics.

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http://objective.jesussave.us/creationsciencefair.html
- This site scared me... Very heavy on creation propaganda - scroll down to find an article on "Why women are best suited to home-making". No relation to actual science.

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Northwest Creation Network
- Standard SoF, explains what the different kinds of creationists are very well. Provides educational material.

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EVOLUTIONIST SITES

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- Online magazine that carried interviews and the occasional article from leading evolutionists.

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Revolutionary Evolutionist | WIRED
- Article about Richard Dawkins.

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http://www.evolutionistorder.com/home.htm
- Website about a new book called 'The Evolutionist Order'.

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Otherwise, there were a couple of sites like true.origins and ICR slamming evolutionists. I couldn't find any sites supporting evolution over creationism, at least not in the same volume as the reverse. I had to search by "anti-creationism" instead, which returned 698 matches and included a few pages from talk.origins (and even a few from creationist sites that consisted mostly of scare-mongering). Searching by "evolution science" brought up about 6,900,000 matches, including a mix of science sites, a few talk.origins pages, and a few creationist sites, yet again slamming evolution.

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I'm only drawing one conclusion from all this - that the whole "scientists using evolution propaganda to brainwash people" thing is completely false. Other than that, I hesitate to say much - although I couldn't help but notice that most of the creationist sites had an online store, or a method of donating to them... Of course that could just be my cynical nature coming to the fore again.

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Let's hear some opinions then!

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The Rock Hound

From the objective.jesussave.us web site mentioned by IrishRockhound"2nd Place: "Women Were Designed For Homemaking"
Jonathan Goode (grade 7) applied findings from many fields of science to support his conclusion that God designed women for homemaking: physics shows that women have a lower center of gravity than men, making them more suited to carrying groceries and laundry baskets; biology shows that women were designed to carry un-born babies in their wombs and to feed born babies milk, making them the natural choice for child rearing; social sciences show that the wages for women workers are lower than for normal workers, meaning that they are unable to work as well and thus earn equal pay; and exegetics shows that God created Eve as a companion for Adam, not as a co-worker."*****************************If Jonathan grew up to run his own company and based it on his "scientific" findings concerning women and wages, he would be sued into oblivion. And they gave him Second Place in the Science Fair.Scary indeed, IrishRockhound, scary indeed.(:raig

That site is a Joke. It's like landover babtist. It's a joke. Has to be.

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physics shows that women have a lower center of gravity than men, making them more suited to carrying groceries and laundry baskets;

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And for walking an I-beam... and for riding a motorcycle... and for fighting on horseback...Whatever happened to *good* science fair projects? I made every week's science class project a science project when I was in school... I built a hydrometer, an oxygen generator, all sorts of fun things I loved "projects'. In my project on surveilance for history, I had a phone book sitting near the display, and when I finished discussing the project with the teacher, I opened up the phone book to show that it had been hollowed out, and there was a tape recorder inside that had recorded the conversation. Ah, grade school.... Of course, I was most impressed with one project a student did to study antibiotic resistance due to our use of antibacterial agents in lots of cleaning products. Neat concept. ------------------
"Illuminant light,
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Unfortunately, I don't think it is. It scared the crap out of me when I read it the first time - then I came across more pages from it in the other searches. It appears to be real.I'd love to be proved wrong, though. Stuff like this shouldn't be real.The Rock Hound

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That site is a Joke. It's like landover babtist. It's a joke. Has to be.

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Funny you should mention Landover Baptist.http://objective.jesussave.us/shutdown.html

I've run across the jesussave.us site a couple of times recently. It's so incredibly over-the-top that I have a hard time believing it can be real. But the links, like "how to get saved" etc., seem to be entirely serious. If it's real, I'm really afraid....

I think that's it right there. If it is a joke, it's so incredibly straight-faced that I wouldn't blame anyone for assuming it's serious.Puts me in mind of an interview I saw with the EIC of the Onion, laughing about all the times he's gotten cards and letters from people who assumed articles in it were real. Apparently they got flooded with letters after the article "Chinese Woman Gives Birth to Septuplets: Has One Week to Choose."

Oh MAN!! I must have missed that one. I don't keep up with the Onion as well as I used to. Good thing they archive so much of their stuff!

I think that the really sad thing about this is that we are all so used to seeing genuine creationist/inerrantist websites that contain the most banal articles that we do find it difficult sometimes to tell the difference between these sites and a spoof one.As an educator, it does trouble me that the spreading of garbage by creationist/inerrantist websites is becoming more popular, young kids do read these sites, AiG even has a section devoted to children, and these children do not have the critical skills that most adults do, (fundies are excepted here from other adults)and are brainwashed into thinking that the Bible is an accurate history and science book.I for one thinks it speaks volumes for the quality of scholarship that creationist/inerrantists accept when we cannot tell for sure if a creationist/inerrantist website is genuine or not.Brian.PS, Didn't some creationist psycho once use landoverbaptist as an academic reference?

Hi Brian,Actually, TC used it here. Joz and Mr P soundly trounced him for it too. ------------------
Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

Oops sorry TC !Doesn't this just make it worse, when one of their own cannot tell the difference?Thanks for the ref AsgaraBrian.

Matchette, p. 21 OUTline - "Clearly, if the chain of causal agencies of factors of determination contain ONLY contingent beings, then we are caught in an infinite regression of agents, of causal factors. But if in a causal sequence there is no first cause, then there is no genuine cause at all but rather an infinite falling away. Every causal sequence must, therefore, end in a Necessary Being - in a Being which is itself its own causal and determining agent."Bon voyage-

To help you decide if http://objective.jesussave.us is spoof or not, click on the link at the side of their pages marked "Have You Accepted Christ Yet". It takes you here. ROTFL.The whole thing is bizarre. Incredibly detailed, heaps of work been put into it, dead pan, but with the various absurdities only just a bit over the edge (like the above link).Another bit of comedy where the irony is laid on so thick that the game is given away is their Pastor's Corner.I'd love to know if they actually sell any of their merchandise, and who buys it. They also have a positive review of the computer game One Nation Under God; I think this may be for real given reviews elsewhere; but originally I thought it might have been part of the spoof which has been picked up and is being sold by a real Christian group. There is a freeware version at the above link which some brave person might want to check out.If you are really concerned about this, try looking for their church (Mt. Fellowship Baptist) or their University (Fellowship University) and so on. They don't exist.One amusing thing about it is that the people taken in are often skeptics. Recursive irony![This message has been edited by cjhs, 10-15-2003]

I've just played the game for thirty minutes....god my life's boring.You're a 3D Uncle Sam running around a giant hall with pictures everywhere. You can press enter and read the text. You answer questions to open doors. Needless to say its very poorly made.I've read alot of stuff on the site and it seems real, which I agree is scary.JustinC[This message has been edited by JustinCy, 10-15-2003]