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Author Topic:   The lack of empirical evidence for the theory of evolution, according to Faith.
Faith 
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Message 24 of 138 (197369)
04-07-2005 1:35 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by commike37
04-06-2005 2:03 AM


Just want to say I appreciate your points and that's pretty much what I was getting at in the remark I made that was quoted as the topic of this thread. The geological evidence, for instance, that is currently appropriated to old earth theory, is much better support for a worldwide Flood (I'm a YEC, not ID); and the biological evidence that is crammed into the ToE fits at least as well the view of variation limited to species, not evolution from species to species.
The "lock-in" effect of evolutionist thinking sure is evident on this site, to the point of rigor mortis one might say.
I have nothing else to say, no interest in participating in this discussion; I just wanted to make that statement of appreciation and agreement with your posts here.

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Faith 
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Message 30 of 138 (197528)
04-07-2005 5:56 PM
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04-05-2005 3:27 AM


In another thread, Faith made an off-topic comment, which I thought was a pretty cheap shot at her opponents without having to explain herself. Faith writes:
quote:
And what's ironic about this is that the ToE is not based on empirical evidence.
I've argued this in many threads. Cheap shot yourself, buster.

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Faith 
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Message 31 of 138 (197529)
04-07-2005 5:57 PM
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04-07-2005 11:03 AM


Off topic post. Shape up or ship out.

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Faith 
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Message 32 of 138 (197530)
04-07-2005 5:59 PM
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04-07-2005 2:38 AM


Because they have little faith.

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Faith 
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Message 33 of 138 (197531)
04-07-2005 6:01 PM
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04-07-2005 5:12 AM


quote:
The geological evidence, for instance, that is currently appropriated to old earth theory, is much better support for a worldwide Flood (I'm a YEC, not ID)
Really, then I guess you don't agree with Commike. See he's an ID theorist and they are OE and firmly reject the idea that anyone practicing science can come to the conclusion that YE and things like the flood have better support.
I agree with his GENERAL STATEMENT about how theories are held and defended and so on. Can't you READ???
And to accuse me of not debating after I've been doing that for so long is pretty low stuff.
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Message 34 of 138 (197532)
04-07-2005 6:03 PM
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04-07-2005 5:55 PM


EXACTLY! Thank you.
Too bad you're not a YEC.

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Faith 
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Message 43 of 138 (197641)
04-08-2005 9:15 AM
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04-08-2005 4:46 AM


Yes, and if you read my post you would see how I attacked that. I stated quite clearly that your agreement with his general statement of how theories are held and defended showed exactly why ID and Creo theorists are identical in either not understanding or willfully trying to undercut scientific methodology.
Good, I knew I agreed with him on something important.
However, you CAN'T read as you arrogantly lectured me on the supposed errors of my perfectly reasonable answers to your idiotic hysterical worries about educational "splintering." Why should I listen to a jerk like you for another minute?
Whatever respect I MIGHT possibly have had for "science" when I entered this loony bin has long since left thanks to the irresponsible attitudes of the majority gang of thugs here.
As for the rest of your stupid self-serving post (do you guys know how to do anything else?):
Blah blah blah blah blah.

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Faith 
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Message 45 of 138 (197643)
04-08-2005 9:25 AM


Give it up creationists
You have stumbled into a booby trap where all the boobies are trained at a certain kind of combat you can never beat. Doesn't matter how reasonable your posts are, there will ALWAYS be major killing faults only THEY can find with their infallible detection devices. If it isn't the "wrong" references it's the failure to address something only they could have dreamt up. If you make a terrific point about one thing they will ignore it and point out something utterly irrelevant and beat you to a pulp for supposedly overlooking it. You can be sure that NOTHING you say will get a MOMENT's serious consideration. Oh you might get a pat on the back for trying if you get upset enough, but attention to your actual argument, forget it.
I recommend escaping while you still have some sanity left.

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Faith 
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Message 54 of 138 (197708)
04-08-2005 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by PaulK
04-08-2005 10:09 AM


Re: Give it up creationists
quote:
So name just one "terrific" point you have made that has not been rebutted.
Rebutted? What passes for a rebuttal here is something like the communications of the Mad Hatter or the Red Queen. You call that slasher piece of yours where you simply refused over and over and over to acknowledge the point I had made about the Isaiah scroll, which was valid then and is valid now, and kept insisting I had overlooked something of your own preference a rebuttal? Yes, that's exactly what goes on in this place. If any of the Admins here had an ounce of fairness you'd have been called on it. Not to mention that you were off topic and carrying on and on and on with your insane nonsense.

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Faith 
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Message 55 of 138 (197709)
04-08-2005 4:18 PM
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04-08-2005 10:09 AM


Re: Following the Guidelines
quote:
When you are unable to make clear the faults in others posts but only call them names it suggests that you don't in fact have any valid critism to make.
You who go on and on baiting me and telling me where to post when and giving no content in your nasty needling posts don't deserve the slightest credence as an Admin or as a human being -- yes, you are the nastiest of the bunch here -- and I couldn't care less about the opinion of any of the dolts at this site any more. BAN ME.
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Faith 
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Message 56 of 138 (197710)
04-08-2005 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Silent H
04-08-2005 10:32 AM


as you arrogantly lectured me on the supposed errors of my perfectly reasonable answers to your idiotic hysterical worries about educational "splintering."
Guy, I don't know who you are talking to but it isn't me. I never got to lecture you on the errors of your answers since the thread was closed before I could respond.
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Your very first post on returning to that thread after a long absence was nothing but a chiding of me for failing to grasp your point or something like that. I'd grasped it just fine, but you like everybody else here will make up a fault if you can't find one.
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Faith 
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Message 58 of 138 (197712)
04-08-2005 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by pink sasquatch
04-08-2005 10:48 AM


Re: Faith: lying and science don't mix
If it isn't the "wrong" references it's the failure to address something only they could have dreamt up.
Hi Faith,
Unfortunately it isn't just that many creation science / ID sources are the wrong type of references, it is that they are intentionally dishonest.
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I was talking about commike's posts. He made some great points about the psychology involved in competing theories but some typical nitpicker here couldn't care less about the very intelligent and reasonable and in fact obvious point, but had to make an issue of the source he referenced. That's the kind of idiocy creationists have to deal with here. Nobody can or will judge a well reasoned post on its merits. The rule on the evo side seems to be Make An Objection, doesn't matter what it is, make it up if you have to, but be sure to make an objection to anything a creationist says.

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Faith 
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Message 59 of 138 (197713)
04-08-2005 4:33 PM
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04-08-2005 4:26 PM


Re: The faults are?
As usual you just make up something, anything, as you have no other aim than to make yourself look superior. There's no convincing anyone here of anything, Mr. Snot Face, so I no longer bother.

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Faith 
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Message 64 of 138 (197732)
04-08-2005 6:03 PM
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04-08-2005 5:55 PM


No, not failing to grasp the point, but rather to ignore the actual point in order tto simply preach about the effectiveness of Xian home schooling. I'd have had no problem with that, except it was entirely besides the point.

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Faith 
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Message 65 of 138 (197734)
04-08-2005 6:04 PM
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04-08-2005 5:55 PM


No, not failing to grasp the point, but rather to ignore the actual point in order tto simply preach about the effectiveness of Xian home schooling. I'd have had no problem with that, except it was entirely besides the point.
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I was making the point that Christians will give the best possible schooling to answer your feverish worry that it would all lead to deterioration of standards. It was an answer to your charge. Your attributing other motives to me is typical of the partisan blindness at this place.
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