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Author Topic:   What is an Articulate Informed Creationist
Chiroptera
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Message 72 of 154 (414318)
08-03-2007 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by ICANT
08-03-2007 7:20 PM


Re: What is an Articulate Informed Creationist
He is a born again child of the King and would love to have Bible taught in his schools but is not allowed to because of separation of church and state.
Maybe it isn't allowed because nuts like your brother are as likely to proselytize for their religion rather than teach the Bible.
quote:
People For the American Way:
It is perfectly acceptable to teach about the Bible in public schools, so long as the instruction is presented objectively, as part of secular education, and not as history or from a particular sectarian perspective.
There is a problem with proposed curricula:
quote:
However, across the country, school districts are being asked to adopt a Bible curriculum produced by a private group called the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools (NCBCPS).
Many of the proposed curricula are really attempts at indoctrinating kids into evangelical Christianity.
quote:
Board member Bruce Majors said, "we want to teach our children that the Bible is the truth.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 99 of 154 (414526)
08-04-2007 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Straggler
08-04-2007 9:59 AM


...why is it that the U.S in particular is prone to such thinking?
Actually, the US has never been very prone to thinking.
Many of the Founding Fathers were brilliant intellectuals, but that was pretty much the last time intellectual thought had any place in the public discourse.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 113 of 154 (414565)
08-04-2007 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Buzsaw
08-04-2007 6:38 PM


Re: Intellectural Founders.
So you admit that the ones who established and founded a nation of Christian principles in and out of government were brilliant and intellectual.
We've already had several threads where we've tried to disabuse you of the myth that the Founding Fathers founded a government based on Christian principles. It's up to you if you want to stubbornly hold onto that particular error, but it's not really on topic here.
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IMO, Chriroptera, if these men were here debating in EvC you would regard them as the most far out non-articulate and ill informed folk that you ever encountered.
That may be so. We've come a long way since 1776, and we know a lot more than they did then. But I suspect that at least some of them would have been able to keep up the advancement of knowledge and to accept how the ideals they worked for have progressed. After all, many of them were great intellectuals; it's hard to think that they all would be mentally stuck in the 18th century.
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Furthermore given their feisty Boston Tea Party and Revolutionary disposition/mindset to government intervention and control of religion in and out of government, any one of them would last about a quarter of a thread here on this board and off they would go into permanent ban land.
Perhaps. If Jefferson or Adams ever joins this board and are subsequently banned you can bring the issue up with Percy.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 115 of 154 (414569)
08-04-2007 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Straggler
08-04-2007 8:34 PM


Re: Seriously Though
What is it about the U.S that makes this possible as compared to other comparable nations?
That's a good question. As I've said, since independence, US society has never been too fond of intellectuals or rationality. Americans have always been fond of emotionalism and "gut instinct". I dunno why -- it seems to be a national trait.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 117 of 154 (414580)
08-04-2007 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Buzsaw
08-04-2007 11:10 PM


Re: Seriously Though
Mohammed was gossly articulately and imformation deficient Biblically, as evidenced in his book which misapplies much of what the Bible advocated for Israel to advance his ambitions of world domination for his religion, Islam by imposing his version of OT Levitical Law upon all nations by the sword, beginning with Mecca and most of the Mideast, now focusing on Europe and finally the West for the future.
And somehow you even manage to work in your other favorite boogy-man.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 121 of 154 (414620)
08-05-2007 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Buzsaw
08-05-2007 12:46 PM


Re: Seriously Though
I was just pointing that that your posts weren't really contributing to the discussion. Maybe I should have said so more explicitly.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 127 of 154 (414890)
08-06-2007 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Doddy
08-06-2007 8:37 PM


Re: Seriously Though
...didn't all the Bible-thumpers in Europe flee persecution and head over to the New World? Isn't that why Europe is nice and secular and America is full of fundies?
Heh. That's sort of what I say sometimes, too.
But only a portion of the thumpers left the mother country. And the Puritan zealots only formed a portion of the population, and mostly in portions of New England at that. The US was primarily settled by people hoping to strike it rich.
My guess is that as the American population was pushing West, they were too busy shootin' Indians and beatin' slaves to really give much thought to deep thinkin'. And, in fact, they probably had to justify their depravities in some way, and the Bible was as good a place as any to look.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 139 of 154 (445805)
01-03-2008 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by tesla
01-03-2008 11:00 PM


Re: questions
how many great scientist in history were considered crazy in their day, only to be glorified in the science books of tomorrow?
Not very many. I can't even think of one off-hand.

He fought for the South for no reason that he could now recall, other than the same one all men fought for: because he'd been a damn fool. -- Garth Ennis

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