And you've been arguing them with new people all the time.
Right, and Faith and Ray and randman and others like them should also have the same opportunity with new evolutionists that join the site.
And we should stop whining about bringing back the incorrigibles because they're never going to learn. Randman has told us everything he knows. Faith has told us everything she knows, and taken up far too much space telling us. Talking to them isn't a debate. It's a bullfight.
But Faith and randman didn't tell newbies everything they knew. This site isn't just a forum for evolutionists debating creationists, but also a forum for creationists to debate evolutionists.
In Faith's defense, she did come up with some intriguing (albeit unsound, absurd and absolutely wrong) arguments from time to time. She actually tried to come up with a new way of looking at an issue. Her main problem, IMO was that once she got something into her head she did the typical creationist thing and wouldn't actually absorb any of the arguments against it. She would completely ignore them most of the time, but any new idea (or new way of phrasing an argument) provides an opportunity for us to look at something in a new way, too.
It is highly beneficial for the lurkers to see the arguments, no matter how many times they've circulated and it is also very beneficial for new members to test their mettle against members who are somewhat intelligible and who will keep the debate going forcing the new member to hone their arguments.
Just because
you've heard it all before doesn't mean that everyone else has.
You don't have to participate in the threads where you feel like you are repeating yourself for the hundreth time. Let new people (or more patient people) take the lead in a PRATT debate.
As frustrating as she could be, I also think that Faith was valuable and is probably as good as we're going to get (along with a few others).
"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -
The Iron Heel by Jack London
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