Message 104 of 154 (414537)
08-04-2007 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Buzsaw
08-03-2007 11:23 PM
Re: What is an Articulate Informed Creationist
|Creationism perse is neither religion or science. I suppose there are folks who would be regarded by some as articulate and informed creationists who are not religious.|
I think herein I see one of the biggest problem we have here at EvC.
Everyone here is lumping everybody that believes in creation by God into the same camp with ID/ers, and YEC'ers.
I understand they have an agenda but it is their agenda not mine. Until the Kansas court case I did not know about either of these 2 groups, in fact I did not know about YEC's until I came here to EvC.
I had been overseas as a missionary since 1989 and when you are doing your job you do not have much time to keep up with what is going on in the world.
I notice that not only about creation but about religion in general.
Everyone is basically lumped into one group.
There are many different religions with a wide difference in beliefs.
Then all Christians are lumped into one group.
Last accounts I had there was over 1200 different denominations in the United States.
That means there are over 1200 different belief systems.
There are those who teach salvation by grace and grace alone. I happen to be in this group.
There are those who teach salvation by works.
There are those who teach salvation by grace + works.
And then there are those who teach anything you want to hear.
If you can't find one that suits your belief system start your own. Many did.
Now if the group that I belong to is right all the others are wrong, as we have a totally different belief system.
On the other hand if they are right then the group I belong to is in big trouble.
So it is not fair to lump everyone into the same group, as we believe and practice different things.
Buzz, I am still confused.
I believe the universe to be eternal in some form.
I believe that somewhere in the past God took the elements necessary from Himself and created this beautiful, magnificent universe we are privileged to live in.
I know this makes me an eternalist.
But I also believe in creation, does this make me a creationist?
I think Biblical creation should be taught in the Church, not in a science class.
If the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ would do the job it was given in the great commission there would be no problem. First thing it would have to do is get out of the entertainment business.
There are many things taught as fact in science class rooms that do not belong there any more than Biblical creation.
I think fact should be taught in science classes. Leave notions, presumptions, and I believes outside, or in the philosophy class.
I am really having a hard time with all this new information I have been reading in the past 4+ months. We talk about creation and evolution in the same breath but they are 2 different things. That is like comparing apples to oranges.
Creation=orgin of the universe, and origin of all life.
Evolution=an attempt to explain how the change in life forms from single cell to present day life forms took place.
If we are to compare Creation to anything it has to be singularity. and abiogenesis.
Creation=origin of the universe, and origin of all life.
Singularity=origin of universe.
Abiogenesis=origin of life.
Creation=believed by faith, results are seen in the universe and living life forms.
Singularity=believed by faith, results are seen in the universe.
Abiogenesis=believed by a whole lot of faith, results seen in life forms.
So why do I keep reading posts with creation and evolution talked about as though they are the same thing?
As I proof read this post I come to think maybe I am wrong about creation in the science class room.
If singularity and abiogenesis, or any of the string theories are taught in the science classroom all of these being faith based then creation probably should be given equal time, or the former should not be taught.
So if creation is not science since it is faith based.
Singularity would not be science since it is faith based.
Abiogenesis would not be science since it is faith based.
Maybe that bunch of creationist everyone has been talking about has a legitimate gripe, and are just barking up the wrong tree.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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