Problems with Genesis Creation

Here's my top 20 problems with Creationism - in no particular order - and I'm sure people will suggest others - this list certainly isnt definative.1) Comparitive Religion - Why do we pick Judeo-Christian creation as the right one? There are hundreds of Creation stories. This one is not the earliest, nor the latest, nor the most reasonable? It's not the only one which appears in a book, it's not the only one proclaimed true by a God, it wasn't even the most popular one when it was created.2) Anthropology - How does Creationism account all the cultures in the world which pre-date the 6,000 year old time line of Creation.3) Paleo-Anthropology - How does Creationism account for the dozens of early homonid forms?4) Paleontology - How does Creationism account for the millions of years of dinosaur fossils, all of which existed prior to 6k years ago.5) Paleontology 2 - How does Creationism account for the millions of years of pre-dinosaur fossils?6) Paleontology 3 - How does Creationism account for the mega-faunal, a period of time coinciding with expansion into North America, where we see a vast array of large species (wooly mammoth, giant groundsloth, giant elk, etc)7) Nuclear Physics - How does Creationism account for the steady state of radioactive decay which we've observed, the implications of which help us date the Earth to FAR older than 6000 years.8) Radio-Carbon - How does Creationism deal with radio-carbon dating, which allows us to date biological materials to FAR older than 6000 years.9) Hydro-dynamics - How does Creationism deal with the fact the water today behaves VERY differently than it would have had to behave during the time of the "Flood".10) Conservation of Matter - How does Creationism explain the apparent lack of water needed to cover the entire world ? Where did that water come from? Where did that water go?11) Magic! - Why does Creationism rely on the use of "magic" to answer virtually every question put before it? Why isn't that Magic being observed today?12) Dendochrinology - If tree rings gain a ring a year, and we can count back more than 10,000 years in Germany alone, where were these tree growing during the 4,000 years they existed prior to the rest of the universe.13) Incest - According to Creationism, all mankind descended from an incestous pairing between Adam and Eve, then subsequently re-descended from an additional incestuous pairing of Noah and his family. What gives?14) Non-existance of fossils - According to Creationists, all the fossils of dinosaurs etc were laid down during the Great Flood, however, at the same time whole civilizations would have been wiped out. Why don't we find human tools and bones with dinosaurs?15) Organization of Fossils - Why, during the Great Flood, did all the fossils sort out so neatly so that the more primative forms sank to the bottom first and the less primative forms floated?16) Swimming Dinos - Why did the swimming dinosaurs perish during the great flood, along side the primative fishes and shellfish, while apparently the dolphins and sharks survived?17) Bio-diversity & Bio-isolation - How does Creationism account for the massive diversity of life everyone in the world, if all of it came from the same place at the same time - when Noah landed the arc. Why is it that Turkeys exist in North America and Kangaroos in Australia? They all got off the Arc at the same place, did all the Kangaroos just make a run for Australia and not stop to eat like everyone else?18) Viruses - If God created everything at the "time of Creation" how do we account for current fears over Bird Flu. Bird flu either exists as is and will stay that way forever, or Bird flu is a risk to us because a strain could infect humans. Why aren't true Creationists also Christian Scientists and refusing medication and surgery?19) Experimentation - Evolution has been demonstrated through experimentation, Creation has not. Why don't Creationists cause something to spontaneously appear if that's the primary method by which things exist?20) Occam's Razor - This is from a Friar! "Entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity" or put another way "the simpliest solution is the best solution." You may look at evolution is being complex, but it isn't nearly as complex as magic.Special note about the complexity of magic:
You and I are both using computers. We push buttons, letters appear, we click submit, the message gets posted.It's been said that sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguisable from magic. That's only if viewed from the point of the ignorant.I assume that you do not believe that computers are magic. However, I'm willing to bet that you can not explain every step between push the key and the letter appearing, nor every step between clicking submit and the message going onto the internet.The reason you don't believe that computers are magic is that you know that there are people out there who can explain the steps in between. That, given enough time, you can learn the specifics of every piece that makes the computer work.Well, the same is true about evolution. You can learn the pieces that make it work. You can understand how fantastically amazing the world is, without having to rely on "its magic".Just like you wouldn't trust your computer to a guy with a pointy hat, why would you trust your education to that same guy?

Icant, if what you are saying is:
"The universe is a big and wonderful place. God is the one who set it all up. It's several billion years old, and life on Earth evolved."I've got new for you, you aren't a "Creationist" as we talk about them here.In fact, that position is extremely common among scientists.Welcome to the club.

Yeah, well there you've got a problem. What if my grandparents, as children, travelled to the Arizona on a vacation and while there they visited an abandoned village which we can show conclusively that I built.Not such a simple answer anymore.Now there's basically two possibilities - 1) I can time travel 2) Your geneology has a mistake in it somewhere.

Where do you draw the line for "ape" then?If Early homonids are mearly apes, why aren't humans mearly apes?Habilis and Erectus had tools and fire. Hell, Erectus had boats.
Neanderthals had even more than that.Who do you include and who do you exclude, and why?

Fossil's are not simply assigned an age.Strata is dated by either things within the strata, or by looking at strata above and below it.In other words - if I can't date the perioid of time this fossil came from, but I know it's above 5 million years ago and below 6 million years ago, I can estimate it at 5.5 million years.Sub-Note: You are tangentially on the topic of the "Great Science Conspiracy" in which all scientists are secretly assigning dates so that they all agree with all other scientists.Here's the problem - EVERY legitimate scientist in the ENTIRE WORLD would LOVE to find something which disagrees with current theories. That's the sort of thing that makes careers.Who's the guy who worked on physics right after Newton? No one cares.

As nosy pointed out, we shouldn't go into great detail about dating techniques here, but I just want to say this"If our dating scenario is an assumption, then so is yours. You are assuming that your 1 source of information is correct. We are assuming that our thousands and thousands of sources of information are correct.Who's making the bigger assumption?

This is a new one. Now, the Flood was 6k years ago, and then there was an Ice Age? from when to when? do you have a timeline that gives specific dates?

So you reject uniform decay out of hand? It sounds like you are saying this:"What we see around us today is not necessarily the way it was in the past."That's fine. But how do you handle this concept -Since we can't say that what we see today is the way it was in the past, how do we know that Adam was not a chimpanzee? How do we know that the way people are today is exactly the same as the way they were in the past?After all, since particle physics is completely variable, why couldn't Adam have been made in God's image and come out looking like a chimp? Or a slug for that matter?

Well let's see -
Great Flood water would have to:
1) Be both fresh and salty at the same time. If it's fresh, the sea animals die. If it's salt, the fresh water animals die.
2) It would have to have variable density and a highly organized nature so as to sort out all the different kinds of animal and plant life (See post 9)
3) It would have to spontaneously appear and likewise spontaneously disappear.
4) It would have to be DEVISTATINGLY corrosive in Arizona, but absolutely NON-corrosive everywhere else in the entire world.
5) It would have to resist freezing at the N and S poles, otherwise, we'd still see the ice results of that flood standing higher than the tops of any mountainThere's a few to get you started. If you want to get into real detail about hydro-dynamics perhaps we could start a thread specifically about that.

Nice try, this is one you are going to have to respond to - I'll be redirecting you here until you do. That's an interesting thought, but that's NOT what the Bible says happened. The Bible does not say - "And lo, God caused a great rumbling and the lands sank, leaving Noah to float."It says that it rained. That means that there was a set amount and land and water in the day before the Flood and that water came down. And since the water came down EVERYWHERE at the same time, that water had to be coming from somewhere.Further, if I'm not mistaken, Noah lands ontop of a Mountain after the flood. That's gonna be pretty damn hard to do if God leveled all the mountains as you suggest.You haven't come close to answering this question even within your own criteria of Biblical text.

You've either misunderstood my point, or simply choosen to answer a question I didn't ask.I did not ask - How could God be able to use Magic?I asked, Why does Creationism always rely only on Magic as it's answer to everything? And, as a sub-question why don't we see Magic on a daily basis?Here's an example:
Where did the flood come from?
Answer: God Magic'd it up.Past Miracles:
God destroys all of mankind with a magic flood.Modern Miracle:
The virgin mary appears on a piece of toast.Not exactly the same caliber magic, is it?

I have a tree in my back yard. It is 10 year old. I have a sprinkler system which goes off 1x per week and positively soaks the tree.There are 52 weeks in a year x 10 yearsIf I cut down this tree will it have 10 rings or 520 rings?

So the human genes have been changing over time? That sounds ODDLY like evolution

Don't live together in proximity or in chronology? Cuz, clearly they all lived on Earth at teh same time in your account, but no where are they found anywhere near each other. What animals survive the flood? The ones on the arc? Or some other ones that could swim?

And this is why, even today, all humans live atop mountains and all worms are at the bottom of the sea.This is ridiculous. Obviously there are many many "primative" forms of animals living on the land, and many less primative organisms living in the sea.You mean to tell me that all the manta rays were living atop a mountain while the trolobytes were crawling around the ocean floor?Not to mention POST 9! Grass pollens, go back and read it.