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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2514 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Cop out.
You can not say "There was a Flood and an Ice Age" as an answer to the question - "Why do swimming dinosaurs and primative fishes die during these times while dolphins and whales do not?" Are you suggesting that there wasn't enough food on the floor of the ocean for the trolobytes, but there was enough for the crabs who walked next to them? There wasn't enough for the tiniest of swimming dinosaurs, but there was plenty for the blue whale, the single largest animal on the face of the Earth?
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4137 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
Clearly jjsemsch has no idea what he has got himself into.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 756 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Are you suggesting that there wasn't enough food on the floor of the ocean for the trolobytes, but there was enough for the crabs who walked next to them? Heh! And not just that, but every single crab escaped death there in the underdeluvian trilobite bed, saving themselves up to expire later in a trilobite- and eurypterid-free spot. Clever little rascals, aren't they?
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4137 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
And all of the large mammals managed to deliberately drown all of the dinosaurs without losing a single one of their own. And the dinosaurs did the same to the earlier species. Every eon's set of species was in cahoots to knock off the previous era's before being murdered by the next eon's group. hahahaha.
Literal Creationism: The next gymnastic sport - Mental Backflips.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 858 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
When you get done with the excuses for Nuggin's top 20 objections, you may want to deal with the 100 listed here Message 2.
Please remember to start a new PNT for each category as per admin rules.
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Cthulhu Member (Idle past 5873 days) Posts: 273 From: Roe Dyelin Joined: |
Hate to break it to you, but the Paluxy tracks are partially eroded theropod footprints. Pretty hard to be from humans, what with them being at least twice the size. The ones that are human-sized, by the way, a forgeries, and not even good ones.
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Cthulhu Member (Idle past 5873 days) Posts: 273 From: Roe Dyelin Joined: |
Just a nitpick, there were no swimming dinosaurs, aside from a handful of birds. However, there were plenty of other swimming animals that didn't make it, including sauropteryigans (plesiosaurs and pliosaurs), icthyosaurs, mosasaurs, and champsosaurs, not to mention the dozens of smaller groups, which I'll be all to happy to track down and list, if anyone wants.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2514 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Ya, I'm using dinosaurs little "d" meaning most of the animals that went extinct in the 100s of millions of years prior to "creation". I figure, no sense in complicating things more for jj
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
God is the one who set it all up. It's several billion years old, and life on Earth evolved." No like I said I am a creationist. The universe is a vast and wonderful place I believe God created everything in one day. The universe, the world, man, animals vegetation. I believe that the world got messed up and God had to re-do creation, at a later time date. If science is correct with the date of 14 billion years for the universe I believe man walked on earth 14 billion years ago. Now I do believe there has been many changes made in the different kinds. We have many species of cats, dogs, horses, hogs, cows, and even man, etc. But I don't believe that everything evolved from a single cell life form that nobody knows where it came from, how or why. *I believe in the true Genesis account of creation. Edited by ICANT, : *added this line. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2514 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
If science is correct with the date of 14 billion years for the universe I believe man walked on earth 14 billion years ago. You are an odd duck. You are willing to accept a 14 billion year date for the universe but not a date for the Earth seperate from it? If you buy the technology used to date the universe, how can you not also accept that it gives a different date for the Earth? It's because you CHOOSE to be an "unbeliever".
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jjsemsch Member (Idle past 5797 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
17) Bio-diversity & Bio-isolation - How does Creationism account for the massive diversity of life everyone in the world, if all of it came from the same place at the same time - when Noah landed the arc. Why is it that Turkeys exist in North America and Kangaroos in Australia? They all got off the Arc at the same place, did all the Kangaroos just make a run for Australia and not stop to eat like everyone else? One aspect of Biblical Creation that it seems you’re overlooking is variation within a kind. 2 of every kind of animal that breaths through nostrils doesn’t mean you would need 2 Chihuahuas, 2 Great Danes, 2 dingoes and 2 timber wolves etc. You would only need 2 from the “dog” kind. All modern day dogs and wolves are descendants of the 2 dogs that got off Noah’s Ark. The definition of baramin or created kind is any 2 living things that can interbreed and produce fertile offspring. Please don’t confuse this with molecules to man Darwinian Macro-Evolution. It is variation within a kind, or you might refer to it as micro-evolution. Natural selection and speciation is modern day observable scientific fact. Creationists don’t disagree with Evolutionists with any observable facts. They disagree with the assumptions and interpretation of those facts. As I’m sure you are aware I was not there to see all of the animals come off of the Ark. I didn’t see them migrate throughout the Earth. I don’t know why there are Kangaroos in Australia and turkeys in North America. All I know is what is written in Genesis chapter 9. Here God commands Noah, his sons, and all of the animals to be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth. Now if you were to ask me why dingoes are in warm climates and timber wolves are in colder climates, I could tell you that natural selection and adaptation caused this. In these environments the favorable genes were selected for that gave a better survival advantages to their respective offspring. You must understand, though, that all of the genetic information to produce Chihuahuas, Great Danes, dingoes and timber wolves was already present in the original dog kind that got off the Ark.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2514 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
so, to condense your message...
I don’t know Now because I do like quote mining, I'll give the full sentence.
I don’t know why there are Kangaroos in Australia and turkeys in North America. Guess what? We do. We have the answer. If you don't know how a car works, you don't say - "It's Magic!" you ask a mechanic.If you don't know how a plane flyies, you don't say - "It's Magic!" you ask an aerospace engineer But when it comes to, why are all the kangaroos ONLY in Australia - a giant land locked contenant? "That? Well, that's Magic"
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jjsemsch Member (Idle past 5797 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
18) Viruses - If God created everything at the "time of Creation" how do we account for current fears over Bird Flu. Bird flu either exists as is and will stay that way forever, or Bird flu is a risk to us because a strain could infect humans. Why aren't true Creationists also Christian Scientists and refusing medication and surgery? Once again you are overlooking variation within a kind.Q: Is Bird Flu evolving? A: Missing Link | Answers in Genesis To paraphrase: no. The mutations in the RNA are causing it to devolve. These changes make it unrecognizable to the host cell. Q: How did viruses survive the Flood? Did Noah have AIDS?A: Missing Link | Answers in Genesis To paraphrase: yes viruses were on the Ark. Viruses have since mutated and degenerated to what we see today. Q: If God created everything in six days and declared everything “very good” how do viruses fit into creation?A: Natural Selection Topic | Answers in Genesis You’ll have to scroll down to the heading Pathogens and Creation. Prior to the fall viruses and bacteria had a symbiotic relationship with humans and animals. Even today you must have bacteria to digest food. It was after the fall that these viruses and bacteria began to cause diseases.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2514 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Hate to break it to you, but you can't have "devolving" viruses, particularly if that virus is now able to infect new hosts.
More importantly, you can't claim "de-evolution" as a refutation of "evolution" any more than we could claim "de-creation" as a refutation of "creation". If a virus exists in form A and mutates into form B which gives it new properties (the ability to effect Humans as well as Birds instead of just birds), then that virus has EVOLVED. Also, try answering questions that I ask, rather than posting links to someone else's answers to questions I didn't ask. Did I mention Noah having AIDs anywhere in this post (or any post)?
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jjsemsch Member (Idle past 5797 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
19) Experimentation - Evolution has been demonstrated through experimentation, Creation has not. Why don't Creationists cause something to spontaneously appear if that's the primary method by which things exist? Darwinian Macro-Evolution has not been demonstrated by experimentation. No experiments have been shown to change one created kind into another created kind. Dogs don’t give birth to elephants, giraffes don’t give birth to fish, and birds don’t hatch out of lizard eggs. What has been demonstrated, however, is adaptation and variation within a kind. This is part of the creation model. In fact Jacob used selective breeding to his benefit. In Genesis chapter 30 he was in charge of his father-in-law’s flock. Jacob’s payment was only the animals with speckles or spots, so he caused them to selectively breed so that all of the strong animals were speckled or spotted. Creationists can’t make something spontaneously appear. Once again you are unfamiliar with the Creation Model. It was God who created everything in six days not man. If you would like to familiarize yourself with the Creation Model there are plenty of resources out there. One that I use frequently is the honorable, trustworthy, God fearing, Christ loving people at Answers in Genesis.
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