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anglagard
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Message 188 of 295 (447601)
01-10-2008 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by ICANT
01-09-2008 11:14 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
ICANT writes:
What I cannot accept is that there was enough time to change to where we are today.
If life appeared 3.8 billion years ago...
Prokaryotes appeared about 2.6 billion years ago...
Eukaryotes appeared about 1.5 billions years ago...
Multicellular life appeared about 700 million years ago...
Taken from chart here:http://curriculum.calstatela.edu/...s/less/les4/Vles4nb.html
From the simplest life form (single cell) to multicellular life forms it took 3.1 billion years.
Now if this is a scientific fact that it took that long for this process to take place, which to me seems like a long time for such little progress.
How is it that in the past 700 million years we have been able to accomplish coming from multicellular life forms to where we are today. Which seems such a short time for so much progress.
Well, considering that it looks like the earth had to undergo change in order to create and sustain an environment which embraces enough chaos to promote evolution while remaining stable enough to allow survival, it should be no surprise that multicellular life took a while to develop and thrive. The elements of chaos and change include atmospheric constituents, development of oceans, a series of meteoric bombardment/volcanic catastrophes, surface temperature fluctuations, and a variance in radiation bombardment due to the above, to list a few off the top of my head. Upon examination, there must be the right mix of both a chaotic and changing environment along with enough stability for each new development to thrive for there to be any evolution.
Of course, multicellular life may have evolved several times in the past only to get stopped cold by such past chaos. Also, in contrast, life itself once well established influences the environment and tends to stabilize conditions around a more moderate mean. Current conditions (meaning environment, not physical law) were not the same as in the past.
Then factor in 5 extection events:
450 MYA 27% of all families and 57% of genera extinct.
375 MYA 19%of families and 50% of genera extinct.
251 MYA 57% of families and 83% of genera extinct.
205 MYA 23% of families and 48% of genera extinct.
65 MYA 17% of families and 50% of genera extinct.
11,000 years ago most major large mammals extinct in ice age.
About 8,000 years ago the largest extenction event ever began when modern man took charge.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/extinction/
Now if these facts and figures are scientific evidence and I look at it with an open mind taking in account it took 3.1 billion years to get from single cell life to multicellur life forms, with all the extinction, 143% of the families, and 288% of the genera and no telling what in the ice age of 11,000 years ago, come to the conclusion that everything proceeded in a long drawn out generation to generation of evolution to get us to where we are today.
Thanks for helping to make my point .
Also, I think it is important to note that when normal educated people read 50% of this gone, then later 50% more gone, they mean 50% of the remainder. The percentages don't add up like you say .
. There would have to have been billions of dead bodies left behind with all that death. Taking into consideration that these extinction events was not controled by natural selection and survival of the fittest it leads me to believe that there would have to have been a lot of that sudden appearing of creatures or if they evolved there would have to have been a lot of those creatures who were deformed as they would not be a full grown anything. With all these billions of creatures we should have a little more fossils than we have.
There were and are, sometimes entire formations of hundreds to thousands of feet thick and thousands of miles in lateral extent, of little more than millions or billions of fossils. I know, I've seen them, a lot. Why haven't you?
Second, a lot of life may have failed to fossilize or have been subducted into the earth and turned into volcanic lava or metamorphic rock.
Third, I am curious as to why those who make groundless attacks upon biology and geology, all without even the most minimal education and/or understanding, can't get their stories straight (or maybe I do). There's too few fossils, there's too many fossils, evolution takes too long, evolution happened too quick. It's like trying to keep track of Mitt Romney's stand on political issues.
Conclusion: If I did not believe in an outside source I could not look at this evidence and come to the conclusion to accept the position that is put forth on this forum concerning evolution of the species.
I am beginning to see why some evolutionist would call themselves christian evolutionist. They know that everything could not have happened without some outside help.
Have fun,
"They know"
I find it interesting that anyone could reach full maturity or even advanced age claiming they already know everything and therefore don't need to consider any external input to intrude upon their self-declared, self-perfection and absolute knowledge. I would find it personally disturbing to claim greater knowledge of every subject than everyone else regardless of background or education because such a position resembles that of individuals in the throes of late puberty or the first stages of Alzheimer's.
But to each their own, I suppose.
Edited by anglagard, : clarity
Edited by anglagard, : to/too, in one case

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 864 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 252 of 295 (448051)
01-11-2008 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by ICANT
01-11-2008 5:30 PM


ICANT be Taken Seriously
I really am not sure of what your point is in even posting in this forum.
Are you a troll? comic relief? a complete idiot? In this thread alone:
You can't, or refuse, to follow a simple parable concerning walking from point A to point B.
You say that there is not enough time for life to evolve without any perceivable rationale, then turn around and say it took too long for life to get multicellular.
You say that there are not enough fossils, yet give no reason whatsoever as to why you are unsatisfied with the raw amount of fossils, not only in museums but also in huge formations of nothing but fossils. (hint - two entire buildings on my campus are made of limestone that is virtually nothing beside brachiopods and crinoids from a geologic formation beneath my very feet which extends all the way almost clean to the Arizona border, a distance of around 800 miles. This is only one formation of little more than fossils that number in the hundreds, even thousands, worldwide).
You first claim that Lucy is fake based upon the testimony of two West Texas hillbillys who obviously are nothing more than shills for Carl Baugh's bullshit, then when confronted by the fact that the actual Lucy fossil is at the Natural History Museum in Houston, right now, refuse to apologize for your obvious mistake.
Now, all chemicals are liquid What, now you deny the existence of solids and gasses?
The fake stance of asking questions to which you refuse to begin to even comprehend an answer is getting tiresome. I agree with Ned, you are just plain full of crap.
From here on, I will give you the greatest stretch of benefit of the doubt I can muster and consider you at best, a comedy act.
Well, you are funny, if not taken too seriously.
Edited by anglagard, : Complete an incomplete sentence

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 864 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 256 of 295 (448069)
01-11-2008 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by ICANT
01-11-2008 8:30 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
ICANT writes:
I did leave out one solid chemical that I know a little about and that is fertilizer.
Thanks for your support concerning my observations in Message 252
Comic relief it is (although speaking for myself, I generally prefer my comedy to be more sophisticated).

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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