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Topic: scientific theories taught as factual
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.5
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Message 72 of 295 (446646)
01-06-2008 8:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 19 by jar
12-14-2007 9:41 AM
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Re: God on the lab table
Hi jar,
if you want to insert "GodDidIt", be prepared to place God on the lab table for examination as well as provide the methods God used. Good Luck! Why are we required to put our source on the lab table when evolution is exempt from putting its source on the table?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Message 73 of 295 (446654)
01-06-2008 8:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 20 by RAZD
12-14-2007 8:11 PM
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Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi RAZD,
You have a good point with the walking thing. However, to make the comparison valid you would have to be able to get to the moon by just walking. Why? To reach california would require no positive change in Nator. To reach the Moon Nator would have to evolve into a totaly different kind of creature. One that could live a very long time, be able to walk on air, be able to walk in space, be able to live with out breathing oxygen and probably many more I have not thought of. I know this sounds stupid. But to tell me I evolved from a single cell life form that no one knows where it came from to get on the planet earth that no one knows where the singularity came from that birthed the planet earth came from is just as stupid to me. In fact I think it would be easier to walk to the moon. Enjoy
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 75 of 295 (446662)
01-06-2008 9:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 74 by RAZD
01-06-2008 8:53 PM
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Re: God on the lab table - evolution in the present day.
Thanks RAZD,
That source is available to everyone. The "source" of evolution is the evidence for it, the evidence that helped in formulating the original theory, and in testing theories since then down to the present day. My source for the Universe is God. My source for Life is God. What is the source for the Universe and the first form of Life that you claim evolved. Without the universe and Life there is nothing to evolve. So what is your source of Life and the Universe it inhabits?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 76 of 295 (446665)
01-06-2008 9:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 45 by subbie
12-23-2007 10:14 PM
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Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi subbie,
Here are an assload of 'em. I visited your website and was unable to find any of the fossils or pictures of the fossils of anything must less a transitional life form. I visited all the links and all I found was what someone had written down. Why am I supposed to take this man's word for anything?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi Chiroptera, Just a quick question.
You're in luck! Mudskippers seem to fit the bill nicely, here! Why is not mudskippers found in different stages of evolution?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 80 of 295 (446673)
01-06-2008 9:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 78 by DrJones*
01-06-2008 9:38 PM
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Re: God on the lab table - evolution in the present day.
Hi DrJones,
Irrelevant to the Theory of Evolution. Go talk to the physicists and chemists. Thank you so much just the answer I expected. Evolution does not have to prove anything. It says we can not go before life existed. We start after life existed and go from there. It is agreed that micro-evolution has occured and is occuring. Macro-evolution has never been proven to be fact. Therefore why is it taught as a fact?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 82 of 295 (446681)
01-06-2008 10:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 63 by ringo
01-06-2008 4:38 PM
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Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi Ringo,
Are you saying that the Model A and Fairlane weren't transitional? I have no idea what jrtjr1 will say about these so called transitionals. But I can tell you everyone of them is an automobile. None of them became an airplane or a rocketship. Did they evolve? Yes.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 88 of 295 (446693)
01-06-2008 11:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 83 by ringo
01-06-2008 10:41 PM
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Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi Ringo,
So what? We're following lines of ancestry here. If your grandmother didn't have any Polynesian descendents or Norwegian descendants, does that mean your father wasn't a transitional between her and you? If my grandmother was Lucy then I would say my father was a transitional between her and me. Other than that he was just a generation between my grandmother and me.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 90 of 295 (446702)
01-06-2008 11:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 87 by jar
01-06-2008 11:06 PM
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Re: God on the lab table - evolution in the present day.
Hi jar,
What limits the accumulation of many small changes of many generations? What mandates that there are enough small changes over millions of years to change a fish into a land animal. It took about 3 billion years from the first lifeform to get something you could see without a microscope. So how did we get from there to here today?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 91 of 295 (446703)
01-06-2008 11:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 89 by ringo
01-06-2008 11:20 PM
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Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi Ringo,
Where's the barrier between Lucy and you? Are you saying Lucy was human?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 93 of 295 (446723)
01-07-2008 12:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 81 by RAZD
01-06-2008 10:14 PM
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Re: God on the lab table - evolution in the present day.
Hi RAZD,
If you are asking what religious or philosophical concept do I need to have to understand evolution, The question I asked had nothing to do with religion or philosophical concepts. I asked: What is the source for the Universe and the first form of Life that you claim evolved. I know your answer because you have given it to me before on a couple of occasions. The answer being "We don't know" Since I agree with your definition of micro-events and macro-events.
Biological Process #1 is the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation. Biological Process #2 is the division of a 'parent' species into two (or more) 'daughter' species. I don't see any difference in what you are saying or anyone else on this site and what I am saying except the method. You say we got here by evolution. Which you cannot prove as there has never been a proven case of one creature becoming a different creature. You say with enough changes in 550 million years it could have happened. How? When it took 3 billion years to get from single cell to big enough to see without a microscope. I say God created the universe and everything in it. I believe things are evolving. I also believe humans are devolving in many ways and evolving in others. Enjoy
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 94 of 295 (446729)
01-07-2008 12:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 92 by ringo
01-06-2008 11:59 PM
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Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi Ringo,
I'm asking you where's the barrier that prevents Lucy (or something like her) from becoming human after many generations. Are you saying that after many generations Lucy produced humans? We were not talking about something like her.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 100 of 295 (447011)
01-07-2008 7:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 99 by jar
01-07-2008 9:44 AM
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Re: God on the lab table - evolution in the present day.
Hi jar,
One small step at a time. Sorry jar with only 550 million years they had to be giant steps not small ones as there was not enough time for the small ones. Enjoy
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 102 of 295 (447088)
01-08-2008 1:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 95 by ringo
01-07-2008 12:42 AM
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Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi Ringo,
And I've asked you repeatedly, where is the barrier that prevents a hominid contemporary to Lucy from micro-evolving into you? Since you are the one alluding to my descent from Lucy or a like life form: Why has it become my responsibility to prove that she, or it, is not? Why don't you prove that they are my ancestors?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Re: God on the lab table - evolution in the present day.
Hi arachnophilia,
you don't believe in speciation, which has been documented in laboratory settings? Please read: Message 93 Have fun now
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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