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RAZD
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Message 226 of 295 (447865)
01-11-2008 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 223 by ICANT
01-10-2008 11:05 PM


Re: Your statements
A colony of single cell bacteria=a bunch of organisms that are composed of a single cell.

A multicellular organism=an organism composed of 2 1 or more cells that have divided and compose one organism.

A colony also comes from 1 or more cells that have divided and compose one colony.

What's the difference?

Your body is composed of cells that are similar to single celled eukaryotes. What's so special about multicell organisms?

Since the first life form was a single cell life form you stated these processes sufficient to trace all the way there.

They are. The genetic record does not contradict this. The fossil record does not contradict this. The history of natural life that we know does not contradict this. Therefore no other process is necessary.

Enjoy.

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Coragyps
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Message 227 of 295 (447879)
01-11-2008 9:49 AM
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01-10-2008 11:49 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
I always thought if something was stored in a specially design safe it was locked away.

Goes to show you how stupid I am.

Just keep believing everything you are told.

I don't believe everything I'm told, ICANT. There was quite a big fuss over letting Lucy out of the vault to go on her US tour:
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=3542345&page=1
http://www.lucyexhibition.com/docs/media/Chronicle_Lucy_gets_here_safeley.pdf

Don't be such an arrogant twit.


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ICANT
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Message 228 of 295 (447908)
01-11-2008 11:43 AM
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01-11-2008 9:49 AM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Hi Coragyps,

You did read the article that you referenced. Where it says:

Houston & Texas News
A three-dimensional model of the 3.2 million-year-old hominid known as Lucy is to be on display at the Houston
Museum of Natural Science. The exhibition opens Aug. 31.
PAT SULLIVAN: AP

Underlining and bolding mine.


http://www.lucyexhibition.com/docs/media/Chronicle_Lucy_gets_here_safeley.pdf

I guess poor ole Pat Sullivan was lied to. He thought it was a model.

Maybe Mr. Sullivan was not supposed to state it was a model I don't know. But if you can't see the real one in Ethiopia I doubt very seriously if you saw the real one in Houston.

You may have seen the model that has been on display in Ethiopia for the past 20 years.

These detailed copies are then used for teaching, research, and exhibits in institutions around the world. This is what has been done with Lucy.

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/ethiopia/addis-ababa-lucy.htm

I will leave it at the statement of Mr. Sullivan and the statement found on the Ethiopian web site.

You be the judge and believe whatever you desire.

Have fun,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 229 of 295 (447910)
01-11-2008 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by RAZD
01-11-2008 8:05 AM


Re: Your statements
Hi RAZD,

What's the difference?

ICANT writes:

and compose one organism.

rather than a bunch or organism's

They are. The genetic record does not contradict this. The fossil record does not contradict this. The history of natural life that we know does not contradict this. Therefore no other process is necessary.

Then why did you say?

RAZD writes:

Not really - I don't assign them to micro or macro, and "macro" generally refers to (continued) evolution after speciation, so speciation is just the boundary of "micro" and "macro" levels.

Message 221

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Message 230 of 295 (447913)
01-11-2008 12:04 PM
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01-10-2008 6:04 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Hi Jones,

Speculation from an amateur webpage about cyrogenics is harly evidence that mammoths were frozen instantly by the ice age. Got anything from a scientific journal?

As always read what you want and believe what you want.

You did not mention the researchers that plan on using frozen sperm from those animals to try and bring them back.

Apparantly they believe those animals were frozen quick enough to preserve the sperm that they will be able to use it. That means they don't believe the animals were frozen over a long period of time. More like flash freeze.

Anyway here is the quote and website again.

It isn't exactly Jurassic Park, but Japanese researchers are looking at the possibility of using sperm from frozen animals to inseminate living relatives.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14353511/?GT1=8404

Then again that may just be a pack of lies somebody is writing about just to sell papers or get viewers for msnbc.

Have fun,


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Message 231 of 295 (447918)
01-11-2008 12:12 PM
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01-11-2008 11:43 AM


Re: Sudden Appearances
I guess poor ole Pat Sullivan was lied to. He thought it was a model.

It was a model, he was not lied to. The caption is to a photograph which was omitted from the document you read. It was of a 3D model of Lucy that was displayed at the Houston Natural History museum. It had hair and flesh and skin. The thing that came to Houston from Ethiopia that was to go on display were the actual bones of Lucy as the article clearly states.


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Message 232 of 295 (447931)
01-11-2008 12:55 PM
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01-11-2008 3:09 AM


Re: lucy in the states: worth more than diamonds
Hi Mod,

With scepticism of others as well as a scepticism for the perfection of your own perceived knowledge, you can develop a healthy attitude to debate around here - at least that's my experience and I thought you might benefit from thinking about it.

Thanks for the info. I do tend to put the tongue in motion sometimes before the brain.

Have fun,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 233 of 295 (447939)
01-11-2008 1:08 PM
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01-10-2008 6:05 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Hi sidelined,

ABE Check out this video and see how much we have learned about the workings of the cell

That was some amazing computer animation. Somebody spent several hours puting that together. Reminds me of the windows animation when windows media player is playing a cd.

No
The physics of electromagnetism give rise to the elements and the chemical interactions of the biology that makes up cellular life and the operations within those cells are all chemistry in action.

Amazing, what holds all those chemicals together?


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Coragyps
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Message 234 of 295 (447940)
01-11-2008 1:09 PM
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01-11-2008 11:43 AM


Re: Sudden Appearances
But if you can't see the real one in Ethiopia I doubt very seriously if you saw the real one in Houston.

The 3D model of Lucy - with "flesh and bones" - was in a case on the west wall. The ACTUAL FUCKING FOSSIL was in a case in the center of the room. Do you really think that there would be a fuss over taking a replica of the fossil out of Ethiopia?

Damn, man! Get over yourself!


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Message 235 of 295 (447941)
01-11-2008 1:12 PM
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01-11-2008 1:08 PM


Amazing, what holds all those chemicals together?

Chemical bonds. I'll stake my professional reputation on it.


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Message 236 of 295 (447945)
01-11-2008 1:16 PM
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01-10-2008 6:09 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Hi Jones,

The pictures show different reconstructions of Lucy's skeleton, what's the evidence that these are different bones?

That is just it. These are replicas all supposed to be exact copies of Lucy. They have been displayed as an exact replica of Lucy. But no 2 are alike.

That tends to make me believe somebody is not being truthful. Either they did not have access to the real one, or they had an agenda.

Have fun,


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Message 237 of 295 (447957)
01-11-2008 1:54 PM
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01-11-2008 1:09 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Hi Coragyps,

Do you really think that there would be a fuss over taking a replica of the fossil out of Ethiopia?

Sorry I ruffled you pile of chemicals so much.

Now lets just dream for a moment. If I was in charge of something as old as Lucy in Ethiopia. (A country that don't have the laws and privilidges as we do in the US.) I would protect it as if my life depended on it because it probably would. It would not get out of my control or care for anything other than my dead body. But if I wanted to use a replica and make the world think it was the real thing, I would see to it that a very big fuss was made over the replica. Because I want you to be convinced you are getting the real thing.

Now I am not saying anybody else would do that.

I am saying that I would do it.

Have fun,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 238 of 295 (447958)
01-11-2008 2:02 PM
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01-11-2008 1:08 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
ICANT

Amazing, what holds all those chemicals together?

The electromagnetic force present in the chemical bonds. If you notice in the video when some of the individual pieces floating about got close to one another they seemed to attract each other as they came within a certain range and would quickly increase the coupling till they snapped together. This is a result of the electrons within each of those pieces attracting each other according to rules based on the number of electrons and their structure in the individual atoms that make up these bimolecular structures.

If you wish to continue we can proceed to deeper regions.

As a bonus I thought you might like to see that same video again but with a narration from the creator of it at this site here

http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/147


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Albert Einstein


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DrJones*
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Message 239 of 295 (447960)
01-11-2008 2:08 PM
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01-11-2008 12:04 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Apparantly they believe those animals were frozen quick enough to preserve the sperm that they will be able to use it

Which is not the same as being instantly frozen alive by the ice age.


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DrJones*
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Message 240 of 295 (447961)
01-11-2008 2:10 PM
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01-11-2008 1:16 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
They have been displayed as an exact replica of Lucy. But no 2 are alike.

How can you tell that no 2 are alike? Yes the bones are arranged a little differently but how do you knw that they are different bones used? What's your background in physical anthropology?


soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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