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Phat
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Message 35 of 146 (214993)
06-07-2005 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
06-04-2005 10:00 AM


Hitler: The Methamphetamine addict
Let's take, for example, Hitler and Nazism:--was he mainly Christian, as some might maintain by quoting what appear to be Christian passages from his speeches, or mainly pseudo-Darwinian, as I maintain? And how much did his purported Christian belief or purported pseudo-Darwinian belief influence Nazism?
Hitler was far from Christian. He quoted christian passages to appeal to that demographic. More likely, according to a show that I am watching on the History Channel called "High Hitler", he was an abuser of a variety of drugs...uppers and downers. Of course we also know that Goering was addicted to Morphine and Cocaine. From this website called Holacaust History archive-- WEBSITE.WS - Your Internet Address For Life™
David Irving wrote a book, one of his more filler and fluff books on what kind of medicines, vitamins, minerals and anti-gas pills Hitler was taking by mouth and by direct intravenous injection (or was it intramuscular? I do not have my files here! I am going strictly by memory (faulty since the bomb and fire). But I did have the benefit of years of contact with Dr. Hans Dietrich Roehrs, who wrote a very important and hotly persecuted book in the 1960s entitled Adolf Hitler: Die Zerstoerung einer Persoenligkeit [Adolf Hitler: Destruction of a Personality], published or at least distributed by the Scharnhorst Buchgemeinschaft, in which he details how Morrell was manoeuvred into Hitler’s path — then inner circle — and how he compromised Hitler’s emotional and physical state of mind by the administration of potions which were, of all things imported from Portugal, via Hungary, via Prague to Berlin!
Dr. Roehrs suspected that Hitler was being poisoned, and since he was the third highest doctor in the Third Reich, and, as a bureaucrat in Dr. Conti’s Health Ministry, he had access to the prescriptions and content of what Morrell gave Hitler! He began to investigate what Hitler was on! Dr. Roehrs wanted to see what the effects were, that these compounds produced, had some ordered and injected them into himself in the same doses Hitler was given by Morrell.
He described to me what happened to him as the drugs took effect. He gave them to himself in the same time sequence Hitler got his -- a certain amount of time before an important speech in Warsaw before 500 doctors and health care professionals in the East in the 1940s!
He said that he experienced a dissociation between his conscious mind and his personality — he gave a rousing speech, frequently interrupted by rounds of applause — which he experienced himself as if he was totally shielded, as if by a glass curtain, from his enthusiastic audience — to which he felt no connection, but an eerie separateness! An aloofness — other-worldly!
After the speech he was introduced to selected members of the audience and political functionaries — again, they were not aware of his dissociated state!
As it began to wear off he had the same feeling that comes associated with a hangover!
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Phat
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Message 39 of 146 (215082)
06-07-2005 4:19 PM
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06-07-2005 3:33 PM


Re: Quotes from Hitler
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Phat
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Message 40 of 146 (215083)
06-07-2005 4:20 PM
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06-07-2005 3:33 PM


Re: Quotes from Hitler
Jar writes:
Anti-semitism was also ubiquitous. It was not simply a German Phenomenon. It was absolutely a Christian driven phenomenon and around long before Darwin.
Careful how you use that word "Christian." I suppose that coming from a man who believes that faith and relationship stem from works rather than grace, I would expect such rubbish...but there is a vast difference between political professions of nationalist "christianity" and an individual who by grace has had their heart changed. It is much the same as the so called political "christians" such as Dubya...who are no more christian than Scandanavian!
It is often true that any nation involved in nationalistic fervor has at its roots some religious zealots but religious zealots can say that they are christians and yet not fit the glass slipper.
I often think that the same delusions within human nature that villified the Jews for the problems in Germany will rear its head again as modern day Christians are villified for the problems that keep America from achieving its place in the sun.

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Phat
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Message 43 of 146 (215087)
06-07-2005 4:41 PM
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06-07-2005 4:25 PM


Re: Quotes from Hitler
There are those throughout History who have called themselves "Christian" yet were not. I would call it a spiritual warfare phenomenon, when someone feels "special" and they then see others as inferior. This is faulty human nature. One does not need to profess "christianity" to make it a part of their nature. Nationalism has often gone hand in hand with Christianity...I will give you that. Martin Luther said some anti-semetic things.
"Perhaps the most important reason the Holocaust happened is that the Church had forgotten its Jewish roots."
I will agree with you that the church was guilty by doing nothing to stop the anti sematism.
All that I am saying is that you can't link nationalistic fervor with Christians. Nationalism is itself a religion. It often masquerades as christianity but it is not. It is worship of country and flag and pride in ones position. We do it in America today. We are much above those inferior Muslim infidels who spawn terrorists. We are above those ...uh...homosexuals who are goin to hell! Hmmm...I am beginning to sound like the far Right! I see the link....but I don't accept that it is the fault of the christians. It must be those darn liberal atheists! I see your point.
It is a link between Christian politics and anti sematism...but I stand by my claim that it is not any individual Christians fault.
How can I explain anti sematism anyway???I look at it as a flaw in human nature...which is imperfect without the grace of Christ.

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