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Author Topic:   Creationism IS a 'Cult'ural Movement!
PaulK
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Message 109 of 188 (375621)
01-09-2007 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by TheMystic
01-09-2007 10:27 AM


Re: Repeat after me
If you've really got the strong arguments against evolution that you claim then lets disucss them. Start a thread. I bet that if you dare to do that we will find that you don't have a serious argument at all.
Creationists are strong on bragging but when it comes to the arguments - even from supposedly "Intelligent and knowledgable people" like Behe or Dembski it all falls flat.

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PaulK
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Message 116 of 188 (375638)
01-09-2007 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by TheMystic
01-09-2007 11:08 AM


Re: Repeat after me
I think that your response pretty much illustrates the truth of the matter. Rather than produce the solid arguments you claimed to have - you go off on a rant. Evolutionary theory does not predict that you could turn a cat into a dog in a lab - not by evolutionary means. In fact unless evolutionary theory is badly wrong it should be very, very difficult to do so even by genetic engineering (which of course you would reject - indeed it would add little to the knowledge we could gain simply be comparing the genomes).
It is not up to me to prove that you haven't got the arguments you claimed to have. It is up to you to show that you have them.
Indeed, let me point out that even by the argument you do present - the opinions of intelligent and informed people - looked at properly - does not support your opinions. The vast majority of intellignet and informed people accept evolution. Those that disagree are almost always those that have some prior conviction which conflicts with evolution - most often a strong religious adherence to creationism. Looked at properly this evidence supports the views you object to.
Whose views should be taken more serisouly ? That of the vast majority of knowledgable and informed individuals, or that of a strongly prejudiced minority ?

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PaulK
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Message 129 of 188 (375657)
01-09-2007 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by TheMystic
01-09-2007 12:32 PM


Re: Not all anti-evolutionists are created equal
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Arabic science flourished from 800-1100 AD. ... Arabic science ended around 1100 with a theological revolution led by the Imam Hamid al-Ghazali who believed things like math were evil.
Sure, and let's not even consider what effect the rise of Islam might have had on the golden age of Arab science.
Everything listed occurred AFTER Islam was well established. Science (although not in the full modern sense - that came much later)flourished under Islam until fundmantalist Muslims got control.
Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

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Message 138 of 188 (375677)
01-09-2007 1:37 PM
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01-09-2007 12:53 PM


Re: Not all anti-evolutionists are created equal
Yes it is only those branches of Christianity that insist that their interpretations of the Bible must override scientific findings that are the problem. Most Christian denominatiosn can live quite happily with science - including the Old Earth and evolution. And if you know anything about the history of science then you must know that science has changed significantly even since Darwin's day, let alone the 9th Century AD, a thousand years earlier.
The only funny thing is your attempt to distract from the fact that you actually thought that Islam wasn't a significant force in Arab society before the 12th century AD.

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