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mike the wiz
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Message 10 of 216 (132899)
08-11-2004 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Gilgamesh
08-11-2004 4:17 AM


Re: Define faith, first
First of all, this rant is against the self-righteous natural man. This may seem like offensive talk, but all it means is that you are of nature rather than spirit, and you think you have understanding more than God. The last parts (in particular - are not aimed at Gilgamesh) - So this may be a strict post, but conserns those who know I speak truth and are against those with faith in Christ.
That's faith based on hope, desire and longing, and submission to authority.
It annoys me if someone describes the faith I'm supposed to have, and gets it so painfully wrong, in that he has none and doesn't even believe in Christ of whom we have this faith from. "Faith" in the general use of the word is different from what our whole belief system is based on. Longing has nothing to do with my faith. If I long for something, then I'm not having faith. Submission to authority???Lol. Nothing to do with my faith I'm afraid. I mean - our whole lives based on a dictionary definition? I think not, that's like saying you can be as good as Bruce Lee by simply reading the basics in a martial arts book.
Christians tend to muddle the definition of faith:
Ahaha, I guess I have faith eh, but dunno what it is. This is an assertion based on thin air.
Christian "faith" falls within the other definitions
No. "Faith" as defined by a dictionary, is painfully insufficient, because it is an attempt to articulate something which is hard to define when dealing with something more than a word. We can all place our trust in gravity, but can we put our faith in an invisible God? - Can "faith" in gravity produce religious fervor, and a desire to worship it? Me thinks not.
If God says to me in his word, "Go - I will deliver you" and I go, then I have had faith. Even if I'm sweating and fearing, I have obeyed.
How can you know what my faith is when you don't obey my God, or believe in him? If you presently are natural - then you cannot declare spirit!
Can you - not having give birth, claim to know about birth more than a woman who has given birth? --> This is the natural man, and his own righteousness and ego - thinking he knows all, even more than the believer knows his belief. How arrogant!
If you "obey" God - then yes, you understand our faith and belief. Well, do you have faith in Christ?
Did you? Did you have a result when you believed received and went into action? - If you say you did have faith, then it wasn't grown in the least if you had no result.
Definitely I say - that no man who doesn't believe in God, can understand the spiritual man who has faith in God. The natural man thinks it foolishness. This is what the bible says - and it is part of our faith.
Maybe everyone has a little faith, but how can you understand that which you most vigorously oppose, and deny exists? Maybe after two weeks of pregnancy, you think "pain" is felt through a dictionary definition explanation.
- God (in the bible) says nature is against the spirit. You ARE the natural man - no unbeliever is spiritual, how can you understand that which God says the natural man thinks as foolish?
Christ himself said that only his sheep understand his voice. Are his sheep those who presently don't believe?
Dictionary = faith - Trust in yer chippy chips tasting greasy.
God = FAITH - Your whole life of belief, eternal presence, pressed down and running over, shaken up and smoothened out. Endless growth in this life alone - an indefinable mountain of a Brad post times infinity.
Consider this refutation!

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mike the wiz
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Message 83 of 216 (139318)
09-02-2004 9:55 PM


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This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-02-2004 08:58 PM

  
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