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Author Topic:   Implied by YEC? Most science is faulty?
Darwin Storm
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Message 1 of 36 (6243)
03-07-2002 12:30 PM


Ok, I have been participating on this board for a week or two now, and have noticed something. Evolution is only the first and most obvious target of creationism's attacks. For creationism to even attempt to hold true, it must also confront geology, astrophysics, ect( there are many more, I just bring up these two as examples) . A creationism viewpoint would require all of modern geology to be wrong, since that discipline of science depends fundamentally on long periods of time to form much of the rock formations we see to day. Astrophysics has at its core an even longer time scale. For much of the light we see at night to travel and reach our planet would take millions to billions of years ( for the furthest objects we can see). Additionally, our solar system is made out of the left overs of a previous star. It requires the life ( and death) of large stars to form the heavier atoms we find in our planet. The big bang ( and a universe with an age of roughly 15 billion years) is another theory in astrophysics that conflicts with YEC.
Now, if YEC is correct, then obviously the vast majority of scientific theories are wrong. However, the same theories of science that support and old (only by our timescale) and naturally evolving universe also are used in developing much of our modern technology. Modern electronics would be impossible without quantum mechanics. Probes in space depend on astrophysics to predict their trajectory through space. Microbiology, and DNA, both used in modern medical research, are both fundamentally based on evolution.
The quandry here is that for YECists to be right, they need to throw out the baby with the bath water. So much of science conflicts with a creationist model, that for creationists to be correct, the scientific method would have to be fundamentally flawed. However, science produces, on a regular basis, better and better ways of understanding and describing the universe around us. All of our modern technology is dependant on scientific theories , of which many conflict with YEC.
So, YECists, which is it? Is science fundamentally flawed, or is YEC? Hmmmmmmmm

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Darwin Storm
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Message 7 of 36 (6251)
03-07-2002 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Punisher
03-07-2002 2:59 PM


I never said that there aren't geologic events occuring, many of which continue to do so even as we speak. However, The layers of sediment, formations of other types of rocks, ect, do take large amounts of time. Some things like erosion take varying timeAs for volanic ash, what isn't removed by wind or water acts like cement, and creates a noticable layer of ash sediment. A million years from now, an observer looking through the strata would find evidence of a volcanic eruption. In fact, by examining the strata above it, and using other dating techniques, the observer should be able to date the approxomate time the event occured.
Take the Hawaiin islands for example. Currently the main island of Hawaii and the island of Kawaii are volanically active. The entire chain of islands were formed from the same geological hotspot underneath the techtonic plate as the plate continued to move. Over long periods of time, one forming island would move away from the hotspot and become inactive. Meanwhile the seabed underneath the hot spot would be active still, and would start forming another island. Midway island and other islands in the Emporer Island chain were formed the same way.

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Darwin Storm
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Message 10 of 36 (6254)
03-07-2002 4:33 PM


Also, my questions still stands. Do YECist believe that the scientific method is faulty? How do you reconcile theories that conflict with a young earth , but obviously make predicitions that can be seen today, and/or are used in modern technology, thus supporting their validity?
Also, why do YEC's seem to focus on evolution as the competing theory? It seems that geology and physics (specifically astrophysics) seem to be more conflicting with an YEC viewpoint. Why aren't YECists protesting the teaching of geology and physics? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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Darwin Storm
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Message 30 of 36 (6327)
03-08-2002 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Punisher
03-08-2002 1:48 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Punisher:
Both of your replies still require speculation. Please do not use phrases like "the fact that coral takes thousands of years", when in fact, we don't know for sure. I speculate that it doesn't grow overnight but may not take thousands of years. Maybe hundreds.
Please tell me evolutionists have stronger arguments than to pass off "we have a pretty good idea" as fact.

Thats like saying we have a pretty good idea gravity exists. We experience it today, can measure its affects, and make predictions. We "speculate" that gravity was in effect 1,000 years ago, 10,000 years ago, 100,000 thousand years ago, ect. We can find evidence here and now that supports our "speculation". However, it seems that you weak arguements are only applied to things that you don't like. I have yet to hear a YEC cry havoc that we can't find evidence that gravity affected the universe in the past.

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