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Author Topic:   Evolution is False; now what?
Dr Jack
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Message 1 of 41 (136970)
08-26-2004 5:52 AM


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The publication of On Critical Rates of Phenotype Change by Natural Selection in the November 2004 sent shockwaves through the scientific community, if it's findings where true it did nothing less than prove that one of the most successful and longest standing theories of all time - Evolution - was wrong. Inevitably following it's publication many scientists refused to believe it, many dedicated weeks on end to searching for the flaw but one by one they came to the conclusion there was none. Others took longer to make up their minds but, in the view of most, it was the shock press conference in February 2005 by Dr. Richard Dawkins that finally ended the argument in the public eye. The grim faced professor publicly stated "There can be no more doubt, Evolution is false - my life's work has been a sham. The only consolation I can draw is that this event has shown conclusively that Evolution was indeed science as it could be falsified." He went on to announce that he would be withdrawing all his books from sale with immediate effect.
The above is, of course, fiction but let us assume that the above did happen. What would this mean for Creationism? Can it step up to the plate and provide an explanation for the variety, diversity and nature of life on earth?

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Dr Jack
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Message 3 of 41 (137027)
08-26-2004 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminNosy
08-26-2004 12:21 PM


Re: Where to put it ??
Sorry, forgot that. Is It Science? I imagine.

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Message 8 of 41 (137327)
08-27-2004 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by portmaster1000
08-27-2004 9:55 AM


Re: We've been there before
Obviously all the facts aren't changed, and they still need to be explained. And here's the thing I don't think Creationism has either the capability or the desire to fill the gap which would be left by the absence of evolution. It seems to me that there are no Creationist answers to questions such as:
Why are there so many kinds of Beetle?
Why are 'gestalt' style colonies nearly always found in certain groups of insects?
Why are animals distributed in the ways they are?
Why do some animals carefully nuture their young and others leave them to fend for themselves?
It also seems to me that there are no creationist attempts to answer these sorts of questions. With the ability to take pot shots at evolution removed from them, what is left for creationism? Can it bring anything to our understanding of the world?

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Message 26 of 41 (138359)
08-31-2004 5:39 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by fnord
08-27-2004 1:10 PM


The main reason why many scientists think creationism is not really an explanation is not that there's a better alternative, or that there isn't a God, but that there's very little scientific support for creationism. It fails to answer a lot of questions.
I'm not missing the point at all. That is my point. I wanted the creationists to defend their position without attacking evolution hence the fictional setup in which evolution was removed from the picture.

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Message 27 of 41 (138361)
08-31-2004 5:43 AM
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08-27-2004 2:10 PM


So, Robert, would you care to address the questions I posed in Message 7 from the point of view of Creationism, and demonstrate how Creationism can be used to answer the biological 'why' questions arrising from the variety and nature of the plants and creatures of the earth?

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Message 37 of 41 (138765)
09-01-2004 10:46 AM
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09-01-2004 10:40 AM


Re: We've been there before
Didn't time begin with the singularity, so isn't talking about "before" the singularity inaccurate?
Unfortunately there is no agreement on that issue, and current QM theory can't answer it. Both String Theory and Quantum Loop Gravity however imply that there is a 'before the bang'.

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