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Author Topic:   Creationism/ID as Science
DominionSeraph
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Message 50 of 249 (234712)
08-19-2005 2:21 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Rahvin
08-17-2005 2:34 PM


Rahvin writes:
Creation says "Goddidit," which is obviously not a mechanism at all. A scientific theory would examine how. Creationism is, at it's heart, a statement of "we give up, we can't possibly understand." That's what "Goddidit" means. This is contrary to everything science holds true.
Agreed. However, a question: What would it be called when you're at 'someone did it'? For example, there's a glass on my desk. How did it get there? Well, somebody put it there.
Can't be falsified, as there's at least one person (me) with the means, motive, and opportunity. Try to come up with a naturalistic explanation, and you'll fail miserably. Is this unscientific, though? It makes no useful predictions, cannot be falsified, and, besides the 'who', it is the end of further inquiry.
And yes, it's not the same, as both the hypothesized agent and method are proven to exist; but still, is it scientific?
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DominionSeraph
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Message 62 of 249 (235390)
08-22-2005 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Ooook!
08-19-2005 5:07 AM


Re: ToG
Ooook! writes:
Then I see no reason to bring Bert into the Theory of Glass(ToG).
Yes, but isn't there a point where you do you have reason? Seems to me that 'someone did it' is not inherently unscientific. You can bring in a 'someone' if one is needed, like how there's no problem bringing one in to explain how this glass got on my desk. So, Creationism/ID could, at some point, be scientific.

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