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cavediver
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Message 86 of 249 (327680)
06-30-2006 4:40 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Rob
06-30-2006 1:54 AM


Ok, I'm beginning to regret defending you now... not much humility here to see
nwr writes:
It is not, in any sense, a defining characterization of science
Actually yes it is
Rob, how do you know? You are not a scientist. Yet you are here making global proclamations as if God is feeeding you His lines directly. Preach The Gospel and defend it, but leave out this crap please.
I'm a scientist, I'm also a Christian, and I also happen to know Davies... and he's talking crap - not for the first time.
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You cannot prove it logically has to be the case, that the universe is rational and intelligible. It could easily have been otherwise. It could have been arbitrary, it could have been absurd, it could have been utterly beyond human comprehension. It’s not! And scientists just take this for granted for the most part, and I think it’s a really important point that needs to be made.’
  —Paul Davies
Great, a good point. I concur 100%. As do most of those scientists with whom I have discussed this very matter.
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If you didn’t think there was an underlying order in nature, you wouldn’t bother to do it, because there is nothing to be found. And if you didn’t believe it was intelligible, you’d give up because there is no point if human beings can’t come to understand it.
  —Paul Davies
Also true, if somewhat obvious.
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But scientists do, as a matter of faith, accept that the universe is ordered and at least partially intelligible to human beings
  —Paul Davies
Absolute rubbish. It is not a matter of faith. It is a matter of the fact that science WORKS!!! The universe daily demonstrates its ordered nature, its intelligibility everytime you switch on your PC to take part at EvC. Everytime you get in your truck and drive. Everytime you (or your wife) cooks a meal. No faith is required becasue the universe keeps reminding us how understandable it is. We have evidence. That is how science is constructed. It is the antithesis of faith. We only move forward in science when we see that something works.
That the universe is understandable is a mystery; but if it wasn't understandable, we wouldn't be worrying about it. We'd be worrying about how to ward off the next sabre-tooth tiger...
Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.

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