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Message 93 of 249 (327909)
06-30-2006 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Monk
08-18-2005 12:11 PM


Re: Newtonian Physics
Just a pointer for clarification. Newtonian physics is actually demonstratably a subset of General relativity. The equations for both mass, energy, length etc. present in General Relativity an aproximation is then used which makes a specific value go to zero, and then what occurs is that general relativity equations reduce down to Newtonian equations.
Thus at pretty much the major levels General Relativity has superseeded the usage of Newtonian physics in that Newtonian mechanical equations can be derived via relativistic equations.
Newtonian Mechanics has then become of subset of General relativity through an aproximation and substituition within relativistic equations.

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Message 94 of 249 (327911)
06-30-2006 9:11 PM
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06-30-2006 1:54 AM


The truth is not determined by convention nwr... That is why Winston Churchill said, 'Democracy is the worst form of government; except for all the others.' The average joe could care less if something is peer reviewed. We don't trust people just becasue they have a title. We listen to what they say...
Ironically your statement is demonstrating truth by convertion as by convention people discern 'truth' through the listening of other people. To not know of GOD a person's life is truthful because GOD has never been exposed to it thus without GOD this person's life is truthful. While if you expose this person to GOD it then becomes a question of the truthfulness of this person's life because now he has two competing perceptions of his world. Thus by convention if a person finds GOD fits better into his world view then he shall adopt that 'truth'. Thus truth is determined by the convention of listening to another person. Or conversly if the person does not adopt GOD then the person's 'truth' remains true and by convention he follows what he believes.
The truth speaks for itself, and rings loudly with those who seek it. It does not need your support. You need it's support, lest you fall down.
Double edged sword if at one level you claim this then you are also claiming that you could stop participating in this discussion and any other discussion promoting Christianity and Christianity shall do okay. In fact stop evangelizing at all and the religion shall flourish as it needs none of your prosterlyzing. In fact you need not protect it from any form of attack at all for in the end Christianity shall be shown to be the absolute 'truth'.
So I ask the question why do you try to support your faith through these science forums?
Edited by Discreet Label, : language usage

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Message 96 of 249 (327917)
06-30-2006 9:36 PM
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06-30-2006 9:14 PM


I am curious as how you find the question to be excellent? Mostly I am interested in how you are thinking about the question, how you interpret it, and perhaps what it means to you in a broader context?
Edited by Discreet Label, : Tiding up the clarity of the post.

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Message 110 of 249 (328599)
07-03-2006 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Rob
07-01-2006 1:48 PM


It is helpful to see that Genesis is true, but it is not a prerequisite to salvation. All that is needed is to see that we are sinners in need of a savior, and the belief that Jesus really was God's son. That He died for our sins, and rose on the third day.
And I am not religious! Religion is mans attempt to be good. If Christianity is not true... then I have no interest in it. But it is true because it is not mans attempt to be good, it is man's admission that he is not good, and a realization that 'good' = 'God'.
So considering these quotes from your recent previous posts, how does ID and creationism play into science? For as the last several of your posts have domonstated (95-109) there seems to be no actual discussion as to how ID is integral to science, there seems to be a more of a discussion in what scientists, whom you have never met, seem to believe.

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