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Dr Jack
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Message 115 of 326 (461110)
03-22-2008 10:13 AM
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03-22-2008 10:00 AM


Re: Change in allele frequencies over time
According to the big 'evolution' picture, they come from dead chemicals that supposedly came alive billions of years ago.
So... how do I tell the difference between "dead" chemicals and "alive" chemicals?

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Dr Jack
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Message 120 of 326 (461123)
03-22-2008 1:24 PM
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03-22-2008 11:46 AM


Re: Change in allele frequencies over time
So... how do I tell? What's the diffence between a "living" chemical, and a "dead" chemical? What can I see under the microscope that will let me tell the difference? What properties are different?

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Dr Jack
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Message 135 of 326 (461187)
03-23-2008 5:52 AM
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03-23-2008 3:24 AM


Re: Change in allele frequencies over time
Clashes are unavoidable when the philosophy of evolutionists (materialism)imagines that life progressed by a process of gradualism and then refuses to alter their imaginative musings despite the Cambrian explosion that clearly defies gradualism in the unbiased mind.Oh that's right, all the billions of intermediate links are missing -we can't expect everything to be preserved can we? But such a BIG glaring gap.....????? That enormous jump from single celled organisms to such incredible diversity...
We find multi-cellular life in the fossil record at least 100 million years before the Cambrian (see the "Ediacaran Fauna), while Bangiomorpha pubescens (see [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_algae]"red algae") appears 1.2 billion years ago, 600 million years further into the past. That's 700 million years between the first known multi-cellular life and the "Cambrian Explosion". You claim here is manifestly false.
500 million years is a staggeringly long time for any trace of anything to survive. And even then you're talking about searching rocks for traces of things invisible to the human eye in order to eek out what traces we can of the first stirrings of multi-cellular life. The paucity of the early fossil record is not an excuse, it's a fact."red algae") appears 1.2 billion years ago, 600 million years further into the past. That's 700 million years between the first known multi-cellular life and the "Cambrian Explosion". You claim here is manifestly false.
500 million years is a staggeringly long time for any trace of anything to survive. And even then you're talking about searching rocks for traces of things invisible to the human eye in order to eek out what traces we can of the first stirrings of multi-cellular life. The paucity of the early fossil record is not an excuse, it's a fact.[]"red algae") appears 1.2 billion years ago, 600 million years further into the past. That's 700 million years between the first known multi-cellular life and the "Cambrian Explosion". You claim here is manifestly false.
500 million years is a staggeringly long time for any trace of anything to survive. And even then you're talking about searching rocks for traces of things invisible to the human eye in order to eek out what traces we can of the first stirrings of multi-cellular life. The paucity of the early fossil record is not an excuse, it's a fact."red algae") appears 1.2 billion years ago, 600 million years further into the past. That's 700 million years between the first known multi-cellular life and the "Cambrian Explosion". You claim here is manifestly false.
500 million years is a staggeringly long time for any trace of anything to survive. And even then you're talking about searching rocks for traces of things invisible to the human eye in order to eek out what traces we can of the first stirrings of multi-cellular life. The paucity of the early fossil record is not an excuse, it's a fact.

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Dr Jack
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Message 136 of 326 (461188)
03-23-2008 5:56 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Beretta
03-23-2008 5:10 AM


Re: The first imperfect reproduction
But how did you get the reproducible thing together in the first place -from chemicals to reproducible thing is a bi.....g jump.
It is still chemicals. I hate to keep banging on at this point, but it's important to grasp: there's no magical living/dead divide.
If you're going to suppose this first reproducible thing, why not go the whole hog and suppose what came before. Evolutionists are not usually so reticent....this is the alternate creation story after all, you have to start at the beginning.
That's because we like to stick to this akward thing called "the facts". It makes it all terribly inconvenient for us.

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