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subbie
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Message 1 of 66 (393370)
04-04-2007 4:29 PM


I'm tired of the creos being the only ones with groudbreaking scientific theories that disprove foundational ideas, so I'm going to grab myself a moment in the sun.

My theory is that there is no gravity. Objects do not fall to the Earth because of gravity. I have discovered a fifth force, similar in some ways to electromagnatism in that it is invisible, but acts nonetheless on objects that have mass. It is a field generated by a previously unknown element at the center of the Earth. I have named this element Substantium, in honor of myself, its discoverer, and the force is called Subbity.

Subbity is similar to the theorized force of gravity, which is why it has been unknown for so long. One distinguishing feature of Subbity is that it is present only in the Earth. Substantium does not exist anywhere else in the Universe, so only the Earth has Subbity.

The more astute among you might point out that other objects in space, planets, moons, stars, etc, seem to have an attractive force, what scientists have assumed was gravity. However, that is not the case. Instead, these other bodies are nothing more than localized focal points of Subbity waves as they emanate from Earth. The more massive the object, the better job it does at focusing Subbity waves, so the more focal Subbity force it has.

How, you might ask, can I demonstrate the existence of Substantium? Quite simply. Drop something. Did it fall to the ground? It was drawn to the Earth by Subbity waves generated by Substantium.

One consequence of my theory of Subbity is that it restores the Earth to its rightful place at the center of the Universe. All objects revolve around the Earth, with Subbity waves holding them in their orbits. Thus, I expect creationists of every stripe to rush in to support my theory. I further expect all you evilutionists will either attack my theory with a vengeance that reveals your own insecurity in your beliefs, or you will be so dazzled by the brilliance of my theory that you will immediately adopt it and cast off the ridiculous notions you previously held.

Is it Science?, pretty please.


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Message 2 of 66 (393433)
04-05-2007 6:46 AM


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Message 3 of 66 (393435)
04-05-2007 6:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by subbie
04-04-2007 4:29 PM


Is It Science?
subbie writes:

I have discovered a fifth force, similar in some ways to electromagnetism in that it is invisible, but acts nonetheless on objects that have mass. It is a field generated by a previously unknown element at the center of the Earth. I have named this element Substantium, in honor of myself, its discoverer, and the force is called Subbity.

Has this theory been substantiated? :) And how did you get to the center of the Earth to find your sample, anyway?
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subbie
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Message 4 of 66 (393440)
04-05-2007 7:46 AM
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04-05-2007 6:48 AM


Re: Is It Science?
It is substantiated every time something falls.

I haven't yet actually obtained a sample of Substantium, but I'm looking for funding for my research program. Care to contribute?


Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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Message 5 of 66 (393441)
04-05-2007 7:55 AM
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04-05-2007 7:46 AM


Re: Is It Science?
subbie writes:

I haven't yet actually obtained a sample of Substantium, but I'm looking for funding for my research program.

If your theory is correct, I strongly urge you NOT to bring a sample of Substantium to the surface of the earth, because it would upset the balance in the entire universe.

(The least of your worries would probably be how to avoid being hit by just about everything in the vicinity that no longer falls to the centre of the earth, but straight at your backpack containing the Substantium.)


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subbie
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Message 6 of 66 (393442)
04-05-2007 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Parasomnium
04-05-2007 7:55 AM


Re: Is It Science?
A valid point. I appreciate your bringing that to my attention.

I suspect that a small sample would not be enough to seriously alter the balance, but social responsiblity dictates that a great deal more research be done before even attempting such an endeavor.

I may need research assistants and I'm impressed by your attention to detail. If you'd care to send me a resume of your accomplishments, I'll consider taking you on, as soon as I've been able to put together funding.


Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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Doddy
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Message 7 of 66 (393443)
04-05-2007 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by subbie
04-04-2007 4:29 PM


I have discovered a fifth force, similar in some ways to electromagnatism in that it is invisible, but acts nonetheless on objects that have mass.

Four forces are simpler than five. (Occam would be proud of me).

The more astute among you might point out that other objects in space, planets, moons, stars, etc, seem to have an attractive force, what scientists have assumed was gravity. Instead, these other bodies are nothing more than localized focal points of Subbity waves as they emanate from Earth. The more massive the object, the better job it does at focusing Subbity waves, so the more focal Subbity force it has.

What is the difference between gravity and Subbity? Can you make a prediction, based on your theory, that would could possibly falsify your theory? It isn't science unless we can prove you wrong somehow.


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Parasomnium
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Message 8 of 66 (393445)
04-05-2007 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by subbie
04-05-2007 8:11 AM


Re: Is It Science?
Resume of accomplishments of Parasomnium.


  • (1962) Born.
  • (1963-2005) Nothing.
  • (2006) Still nothing.
  • (2007) Theorized the fundamental principle of the splitting up of just about everything, but mainly marriages, churches and schools of thought.
  • Recent addition: theorized that Substantium, when brought to the surface (in small amounts!), will spontaneously split into two new elements. One is called Transsubstantium, which will prove of enormous value in Catholic masses. The other element will spark a renewed interest in the healing powers of minerals, so I suggest we call it, partly in my honour, Paranormalium.

When do I start?


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subbie
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Message 9 of 66 (393446)
04-05-2007 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Doddy
04-05-2007 8:13 AM


Technically, I have substituted a new force, Subbity, for an old one, gravity. So there are still only four.

One prediction of my theory is that if it's correct, we would not be constantly dizzy because the Earth is not in fact spinning in space. We are not dizzy, therefore my theory is confirmed.

Think of a Merry-Go-Round. You ride it as it spins, you get dizzy. Well, the Earth spins a whole lost faster than a Merry-Go-Round if the theory of gravity is correct, so we should all be stumbling around, unable to stand up straight. Obviously most of us are not constantly dizzy (with some notable exceptions) so not only is my theory confirmed, but gravity is falsified.

I appreciate and welcome your challenges. My theory grows stronger with each challenge it withstands.


Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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subbie
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Message 10 of 66 (393449)
04-05-2007 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Parasomnium
04-05-2007 8:39 AM


Re: Is It Science?
First of all, congratulations on the birth part! I hate to start out on an exclusionary note, but I think that's going to have to be a minimum requirement for any research assistant, and you pass with flying colors!

I'm particularly impressed by your achievements from 1963-2006. I strongly suspect that my opponents might try a campaign to discredit my work, so someone with nothing in their past that could be used against me would be invaluable.

I am somewhat concerned by your "recent addition." I wouldn't want someone to be working on their own pet theory while I am funding their efforts. I trust you will understand if I require you to turn over to me all rights to every thought you have during your tenure. Just send me a blank sheet of paper with your signature at the bottom and I'll fill in the appropriate waivers and etc.

You may start work immediately, but until I have sufficient finding, I'm afraid it will have to be an unpaid position. Perhaps your first task would be fundraising. I'll leave that to your initiative so that I can devote my time to pure science.

I must say, this thing is moving along quite nicely!


Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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Parasomnium
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Message 11 of 66 (393453)
04-05-2007 9:14 AM
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04-05-2007 8:47 AM


Starting on the job
subbie writes:

First of all, congratulations on the birth part! I hate to start out on an exclusionary note, but I think that's going to have to be a minimum requirement for any research assistant, and you pass with flying colors!

Good thing then that I decided against handing in another resume, on behalf of a fellow sperm who didn't make it in time. Wouln't have stood a chance, despite impressively accomplishing even less than me.

I'm particularly impressed by your achievements from 1963-2006. I strongly suspect that my opponents might try a campaign to discredit my work, so someone with nothing in their past that could be used against me would be invaluable.

If there's anything else I can not do, just let me know, I gladly won't do it. There's nothing I will do the get this position.

I am somewhat concerned by your "recent addition." I wouldn't want someone to be working on their own pet theory while I am funding their efforts. I trust you will understand if I require you to turn over to me all rights to every thought you have during your tenure. Just send me a blank sheet of paper with your signature at the bottom and I'll fill in the appropriate waivers and etc.

Of course, no problem. Anything for an untarnished resume. Only, could we just keep the name Paranormalium?

You may start work immediately, but until I have sufficient finding, I'm afraid it will have to be an unpaid position. Perhaps your first task would be fundraising. I'll leave that to your initiative so that I can devote my time to pure science.

I've already thought of that. We are sitting on top of a massive clientele for the sale of Paranormalium. And my gut tells me we won't even have to produce the stuff, if we tell them it works through time and space, as long as it's been paid for.

Let's get this show on the road!


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Doddy
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Message 12 of 66 (393460)
04-05-2007 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by subbie
04-05-2007 8:39 AM


Denying the antecedent!
Denying the antecedent!

If the earth was spinning, then we should feel dizzy. We don't feel dizzy, so we aren't spinning.

But, consider that the reason we are not dizzy is not because we are not spinning?

Dizziness doesn't work like you say, unless you have a new theory on the mechanism of the vestibular system.

Newton's first law states that "An object in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by another force". Therefore, when you are moving on a merry-go-round, the fluid in your semicircular canals wants to fly off and go in a straight line, and your hair cells detect this motion as you spinning. (by the way, centripetal acceleration is not only proportional to velocity, but also inversely to radius. So, even though you spin at 426m/s at the equator, you only experience 2.8cm/s/s of centripetal acceleration. This isn't enough to move your fluid much).

As one hops off the merry-go-round, the fluid keeps moving (per 1st law of Newton), so you feel like you are spinning. Because we don't hop off the Earth, we can't feel dizzy - our fluid will always be moving slightly, and our brain will compensate for this slight movement.

So, how about a prediction which actually works? :p

Edited by Doddy, : title


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subbie
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Message 13 of 66 (393539)
04-05-2007 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Parasomnium
04-05-2007 9:14 AM


Re: Starting on the job
Good thing then that I decided against handing in another resume, on behalf of a fellow sperm who didn't make it in time. Wouln't have stood a chance, despite impressively accomplishing even less than me.

Well, keep that lil feller's resume handy. I understand there's going to be an oval office opening in the next year or two, he might have a shot at it.

If there's anything else I can not do, just let me know, I gladly won't do it. There's nothing I will do the get this position.

That's the kind of get up and stop attitude that will take you far in this organization!

Only, could we just keep the name Paranormalium?

I like it! Got a nice ring to it.

I've already thought of that. We are sitting on top of a massive clientele for the sale of Paranormalium. And my gut tells me we won't even have to produce the stuff, if we tell them it works through time and space, as long as it's been paid for.

Nice idea, but as you mentioned, there are certain risks associated with bringing Substantium to the surface. Do you suppose we could convince 'em that it would work from the Earth's center without being split?


Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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Message 14 of 66 (393541)
04-05-2007 5:54 PM
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04-05-2007 8:39 AM


Re: Is It Science?
Parasomnium writes:

(1962) Born.


Damn, your old.
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Message 15 of 66 (393545)
04-05-2007 6:03 PM
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Re: Is It Science?
../sigh
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