People Don't Know What Creation Science Is

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This thread is about Creation Science. Not evolutionary biology.I will now back up and hide all the off topic material until I run out of patience. Please don't add more.

This thread is for the discussion of creation science not evolutionary biology.If creation science is on an equal footing with evolutionary biology then you will be able to fill 100's of posts with material about creation science without once having to mention evolutionary biology. Just as there are 10,000's of books on evolution written with no mention of CS and 1,000,000 ( I would guess) of papers published on it without discussing CS.When you find yourself unable to talk about anything but biology it might be because there isn't anything to say about creation science as a science.Others have given you strong hints about what you need to say.Rahvin has taken the evolution discussion over to where it belongs. You can focus on your criticisms of it there.

Ok you can tell us (as I guess you already have the "microevolution" is part of creation science. However, just to be on the safe side you should make sure you use either the existing biological definition of microevolution or offer your own definition so we all know what is being discussed.You have also said mutations are part of CS as well. However, there is reason to think that you do not define them in the same way as biology. Therefore it would be safer for you to find another word or, again, at least, give a clear definition of what you mean by the word.Here you use "special selection". There is no such term that I am aware of in biology. You'll have to define it.Now to save a bit of time:
You are going to suggest that microevolution can not produce "macro" changes. Evolutionary biology explains how it does, in detail, with enormous detail in fact. If you think CS can match biology you will have to explain the limiting mechanism in some level of detail.If you stick with this as well as you have done and carefully read what people are offering you then you may learn something here.One thing you might learn is just what a very difficult task you have set yourself. Nothing you will bring up is new. There is a huge volume of evidence and reasoning that discusses e v e r y s i n g l e t h i n g that you will bring up. On the other side there are some scientific evidence that the creationist websites simple do not touch.A good example is in RAZD's excellent thread(s)
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Which the younger earthers are totally unable to touch in any reasonable way.The non-YEC sorts never, ever supply the magic mechanism which limits evolution to micro only. You have a difficult job indeed.

Kelly, no one is disregarding what you are saying.For example, you have brought up the second law of thermodynamics several times. Others have pointed out to you that you are wrong about this. You have not been willing to learn how you are wrong. It is you who are disregarding answers you are given.Until you are willing to learn from people that are actually being totally honest with you (which you don't seem to want to believe) you are wasting your time.Not everyone here is as competent in any given area as some others and not everyone here is as good at explaining things as others. However, everyone is actually, honestly trying to help you understand that you are wrong in some things. They do know what they are talking about.

Dman the topic here is not God or anything about religion. Please do not further that discussion.

I can understand how difficult it is for you. Here are some suggestions:One reason you are overwhelmed is as Percy suggested; you are both asserting things which are known to be wrong and have been dealt with by people 100 times.Another reason is that you don't actually get down, understand what the objections are and deal with them.You don't have to answer each reply to you if they are all talking about the same thing. You can pick one or two and put the issue to bed for everyone.If you don't want to try that then a Great Debate will make things a bit easier.Someone else suggested a Great Debate format. There you can deal with one (or 2 or 3 - your choice) people at a time. The thing there is you need to pick someone who will do a good job of the discussion. You actually want someone who is going to be patient, tough on you and a good explainer.You don't want someone who will be easy if you want to learn. You need someone who will insist on good communication and make you think. You also want someone who will go step by step patiently.One member here who is very, very good at that is RAZD. You might see if he will discuss it all.You never responded to some of my replies which were less about the actual debate and more about your approach to it.You might not believe it to be true but even if you don't you might do better if you adopted the temporary attitude that people here really are honest and helpful and knowledgable. You might be surprised.