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The creation model predicts--by its very nature of what creation is--that life appeared suddenly and fully formed and how does that not violate the second law of thermodynamics!?
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Specifically, the second law of thermodynamics is the mechanism that makes macroevolution impossible. It makes the emergence of fully formed species impossible, why don't you see that?
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That depends on what caused life, though Really!? How? The law is the law regardless.
Creationists believe that the evidence reveals that life cannot be explianed in terms of continuing natural processes but that some things must be attributed to completed processes that are no longer continuing. In this respect, both models simply need to address life as it continues under their respective models. In this regard, the laws of thermodynamics are only a problem for the evolutionists. But the idea that creatures emerged fully formed violates the second law of thermodynamics, so creationism is impossible to begin with. We see from the fossil record that creatures have emerged relatively recently so when did this process stop?
processes that are no longer continuing. Wait, what happened to the law of conservation!?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
All you get when radiation mutates a gene is just a varied form of what already existed. This process cannot change anything into something fundamentally different. How do you know that?
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How does creationism not violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
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I think I have done a fairly good job at trying to express how it is that creation science is a scientific study of the evidence just as evolution is The thing is, you haven't done that at all! To do that you owuld have to outline the theory, the evidence that supports it and the predictions it makes. We have nothing like that from you. How does creationism not violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
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with reasons and theories from the creation model, confirmed with actual agreed upon universal laws such as the first and second laws of thermodynamics. How does the creation model not violate the second law of thermodynamics?
I just wanted to show *why* creation science is a science. You've failed.
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I thought creation science didn't have anything to do with god. I guess the truth come out finally.
How does creation science not violate the second laws of thermodynamics? And why do you keep avoiding this question?
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Creation Science itself is a study of the evidence, not of God or the Bible. It has nothing to do with religion or God directly. Then why bring her up?
However, for those who have faith in God, it has consequences. If the Bible is truth, then how we respond to it matters alot. That doesn't make any sense. CS has nothing to do with god but if you believe in god then it does!? If CS has nothing to do with god, then what does it have to do with the Bible? How does how we repond to it matter at all?
I also answered this question: "How does creation science not violate the second laws of thermodynamics?" when it was asked by someone else. Where? Any idea on the message number? I guess I missed it.
I am not going to keep answering the same thing everytime someone else wants to ask it. Funny that you don't have a problem repeating the same arguments over and over. And how many times have you mentioned that book? I guess its just pick and choose for you. Seems dishonest to me. Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.
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Not only does the Second Law point back to creation; But that doesn't make sense. How does the 2nd point to creation? Creation would be a direct violation of the 2nd because it would decrease entropy!
The Second Law is a little more detailed and can be expressed in several ways, all of which can be shown equivilent. There's Classical Thermodynamics, Statistical Thermodynamics and Informational Thermodynamics. In each case, entropy is a measure of the lost usefulness of the system. In classical it measures the useful energy which must be converted to nonusable heat energy. In statistical it measures the probability of the structured arrangement of the system--with the state of disorganization being most probable and in informational it measures the amount of garbled information, or noise, that accompanies the transmission of information by the system. These Laws apply to the whole universe. These Laws predict a gloomy future for the cosmos and indeed if evolution were true, this would be a gloom and doom situation for sure. Is this the explanation? That doesn't explain how creation doesn't violate the law.
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I wondered why you, personally, are so opposed to discovering that life might be created rather than evolved? I'm not opposed to it at all. The problem is that the evidence goes against it.
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I think the fact that you all seem to think that creation science has to do with religion or God proves that you don't "already know" just what creation science really is. But you are the one who doesn't know what it is... Here's the google search on "Creation Science" creation science - Google Search All those hits are religious.
Center for Creation Research quote: religious
Institute for Creation Resesarch quote: religious, specifically mention the Bible
wikipedia on creation science quote: Again, the Bible. Can you show any creation science that isn't religious? I can't find any.
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I recommended the very source needed to see the difference. "What is Creation Science?" Morris/Parker I'm familiar with the book.... All it does is attack evolution. It offers no positive evidence of creation, it does not lay out a theory, it does not provide supporting evidence, it does not make predictions. If anything, it show just how unscientific creation science is.
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