People Don't Know What Creation Science Is

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No need to address that...Unless you are going to address the how/who or what of the origins behind evolutionary theory.

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Not at all a valid comparison.The sine qua non behind the theory of creationism is an active creator. Cdesign proponentists like to pretend that they aren't talking about the judeo christian deity, but whatever intelligent creator you are talking about will, of necessity, raise questions about who or what the creator is, as well as about motive and method. These would be necessary questions for any scientific investigation involving creationism. However, with the ToE, there is no intelligent actor, deity or otherwise, necessary to the explanation. Without an intelligent actor, questions of identity and motive are nonsensical.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

There are actually numerous different, and sometimes mutually exclusive, schools of thought that come under the rubric of "creation science." It seems to me that it makes sense for you to tell us what you mean by it so that we know what your position is. Citing to a book that most of us don't own seems unproductive. In any event, let me try to put together a small list of elements common to most "creation science" positions and you tell me where you differ.1. Existence of a creator
2. Existence of biological features that cannot have arisen through natural evolutionary processes.You apparently also include the following in your brand of "creation science."3. Observations of the natural world correspond better with the "predictions" of "creation science" than with the ToE.
4. A collection of various ad hoc perceived problems with the ToE that science cannot answer.Do you agree with all of these? What else would you add?At this point, I'm not trying to get very far into the specifics of any of this, nor am I trying to argue for the validity vel non of any of it, just put together a list of elements.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Scientists hypothesized that particular types of transitional fossils would be found in particular locations. When they looked there, they found the fossils. They didn't know that the fossils would be there before they looked, but they suspected they would be there because that was one prediction of the Theory of Evolution.Now, you can argue about whether you consider Archeopteryx is a transitional fossil or not, but you cannot argue against the fact that it exhibits characteristics of both birds and reptiles, and that scientists predicted that they would find such fossils exactly where they found them.Can you name one single such discovery that has come out of creationism? (Hint: the answer is no.)

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

If what you say is true, why haven't physicists told biologists that they're wrong?Can you consider the possibility that those who know considerably more about the the 2LOT than you do understand that there is no contradiction? Or do you think that all scientists are in some vast conspiracy to hide the truth? If not, how do you reconcile your understanding with that of those who actually know something about the field?

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Very interesting quote. I really have no idea what they're talking about, and I'm sure you don't either. But in any event, it says absolutely nothing about evolution, does it?In addition, I'm assuming you haven't actually read that work, but are simply relying on a description of it by Morris and Parker. You are free to do so if you wish, of course, but you need to be aware that Morris, if that's Henry Morris, knows even less about the 2LOT than you do. In other words, he has more misconceptions about it.Can you find any source for that quote that isn't a creationism work? Because creationists lie, not to put too fine a point on it.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

If it were really that simple, every competent scientist would be aware of the fact.This means one of the following is true:1. Every competent scientist knows the truth but is lying.2. Creationists are lying.Which of those two do you really think is more likely? Be honest.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Are you really that afraid of giving an honest, straightforward answer?Either call all scientists liars or admit you might be wrong.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

But I didn't ask about "evolutionary scientists." If what you said is true, all biologists, all geologists, all physicists, all chemists, basically all scientists would be liars.Either have the courage of your convictions or admit that you're spreading nonsense.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

I'd be willing to bet that at most Christian colleges, they still know the difference between science and nonsense. Unless of course, you're talking about places like Liberty where knowledge isn't particularly important.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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I am sure i'll keep checking in now that I have found this place, but I really am not able to follow through with anything due to the fact that I am overwhelmed by the amount of responses. Maybe I am lazy, not sure what it is, but it seems to huge a job for little ole me : (

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You might consider starting a narrowly focused thread yourself and asking that it be put in the Great Debate forum. Responses would be limited to those allowed to participate in the thread, which can keep you from being overwhelmed by so many different people at once.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat