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Author Topic:   The "Axioms" Of Nature
RAZD
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Message 187 of 297 (486955)
10-26-2008 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by ICANT
10-25-2008 2:58 PM


axiom = assumption
Taking your first last and your last first:
What is your definition of an axiom?
Something assumed to be true for the sake of an argument.
axiom -nounA principle that is accepted as true without proof. The statement "For every two points P and Q there is a unique line that contains both P and Q" is an axiom because no other information is given about points or lines, and therefore it cannot be proven. Also called postulate.
(American Heritage Science Dictionary, 2008)
How would a tenative conclusion be better than a axiomatic reality?
Because it is at least based on some evidence (checked against the objective evidence of reality, ground truthed, etc), and the tentativity is recognized. When you assume a truth you sometimes forget that it is not based on any evidence.
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Message 239 of 297 (487235)
10-28-2008 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Agobot
10-27-2008 6:01 PM


Re: An axiom example
I thought an axiom was a self-evident truth.
And a "self-evident truth" is something that is assumed to be true because it appears to be.

self-evident truth - noun
an assumption that is basic to an argument [syn: basic assumption]

You end up back at axiom, something assumed to be true for the sake of the argument.
Bertot's been around this issue before (first thread of his) and refused to accept it then. All he has done here is rehash all his old arguments with no new understanding.
see http://EvC Forum: Is Logic a Valid Science in the establishment of ID as Scientific.? -->EvC Forum: Is Logic a Valid Science in the establishment of ID as Scientific.?
and http://EvC Forum: The use of logic in establishing truths -->EvC Forum: The use of logic in establishing truths
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