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Author Topic:   The "Axioms" Of Nature
kuresu
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Message 158 of 297 (486871)
10-25-2008 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by onifre
10-24-2008 11:25 PM


expand or crunch
Not to drag us off topic, but:
However, an empty vacuum of space would be what could eventually occur to the universe because it has a positive cosmological constant, hence the universe expantion is accelerating indefinitely. But that is not 100% agreed upon so I left room for the Big Crunch.
What I understood from my intro astronomy class is that this question has been answered. The universe will keep on expanding because the constant you mention is either zero or negative--based off of all the supernova data we've gathered. wiki has a nice chart here: File:Universos.gif - Wikipedia.
Notice how for the universe to shrink it has to be younger than the universe as currently measured (chart doesn't give the times, but my astro book did. iirc, the universe should only be about 7 billion years old if the constant is greater than 1. The universe, indeed, is older).
Of course, I could be entirely wrong as I'm not studying to be an astrophyscicist. This is just what I remember from class last semester.

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kuresu
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Message 178 of 297 (486901)
10-25-2008 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by onifre
10-25-2008 9:52 AM


Re: expand or crunch
Christ am I glad I'm an IR/Hist major. Fascinating link, even if most of it went over my head during the first read through. The way I read it though is that we're pretty much positive that the universe will expand indefinitely. given that I didn't even see the difference between lambda and omega (though I should have), my statement is suspect.
Now back to the regularly scheduled program "Tautology =/ Axiom", featuring D "A v ~A" Bertot and R "logician"Rhain.

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