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Author Topic:   Evolution is a Religious Issue
Aximili23
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Message 6 of 303 (183496)
02-06-2005 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by satrekker
02-06-2005 9:12 AM


satrekker writes:
While being overly simplistic, reading about the assertion that taking 200 steps backward (negative result of a mutation/Devolution) and one step forward (some perceived "beneficial" mutation/evolution) has resulted in intelligent life from a primordial soup is outright comical, except for the fact that it has so many proselytes.
This isn't just overly simplistic, it's inaccurate. Evolutionary theory doesn't predict that harmful mutations would accumulate, as your phrase "200 steps backward" implies. Any change that reduces reproductive fitness is weeded out fairly quickly; an individual who has gone even one step backward (to use your analogy) probably wouldn't stand much of a chance against those who have remained the same, or have gone forwards.
Furthermore, your analogy of forward and backward steps, and your use of the term devolution, is misleading. There's only change, which may or may not add to complexity or be beneficial for reproductive fitness. You seem to imply that evolution is progressing towards some specified goal, and that devolution represents a retreat from it. But no such goal exists.
But what really concerns me is the main point of your post:
satrekker writes:
It really is a God issue.
You seem to hold the position that any discussion on the origin of life and its diversity should be made in the context of faith and religion, rather than science. This raises many objections, the most obvious one being that, if we tried to answer ANY questions about the natural world in this way, we wouldn't get anywhere. If we treated this as a "God issue", the only thing that would arise is a massive, never-ending intercultural argument on "Which God?".

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Aximili23
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Message 8 of 303 (183510)
02-06-2005 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Brad McFall
02-06-2005 1:07 PM


Re: oh how I wish it were so simple
Far be it for me, a junior member, to challenge someone with nearly 2000 posts under his belt; but I feel compelled to say it: This post makes no apparent sense.
Can you please rephrase in simple English?

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Aximili23
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Message 21 of 303 (183614)
02-06-2005 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by satrekker
02-06-2005 4:22 PM


As useless as it might be to ask: What is the true nature and tone of these forums?
And if you're looking for a forum with a different flavor, try http://www.debatingchristianity.com. They have discussions on evolution/creation over there, too.
[edit: whoops, I didn't realize that my question had been more or less answered. never mind.]
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Aximili23
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Message 22 of 303 (183620)
02-06-2005 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by satrekker
02-06-2005 5:53 PM


satrekker writes:
Unfortunately, I do not have the available time to contribute thoughtful, detailed, documented positions and back them up in a manner that would be acceptable to me regardless of how my posts were to be received.
Yes, I know what you mean. At this moment I'm delaying going to work just to participate in this forum.
But if you do find the time, I'm interested to know why you think this is a God issue. Clearly, some issues are matters of faith and religion, such as the teachings of Jesus, or human salvation. I'd like to hear your thoughts on why evolution/creation also falls under this category.

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