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Gilgamesh
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Message 3 of 19 (152903)
10-25-2004 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
10-25-2004 9:10 PM


Playing on our turf
By all means use science, logic and reason to justify your beliefs. But if you do, you are then playing on our turf and your beliefs will be subject to detailed analysis, and testing.
I argue that no religious beliefs stand up to such scrutiny, so it is often wise for the theist to hold those beliefs inmmune to such examination.
Christians often find themselves in a dilemma. It order for their beliefs to retain some credibility in this age of reason, they have developed apologetics. When those apologetics fail, they resort to the old canards of "faith", resisting exposing their claims to controlled tests and stating that humans are incapable of understanding God's mysterious ways.
So are you up for a challenge, Mike? Most Christians believe in faith healing: do you? If so why not organise a controlled study of faith healing. Contact Randi.org and if you demonstrate the validity of supernatural faith healing in controlled tests you stand to convert millions (me included), and of course earn a $million.

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Gilgamesh
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Message 13 of 19 (152933)
10-25-2004 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by mike the wiz
10-25-2004 10:28 PM


Mike wrote:

But you'd have to be incredibly objective/open-minded - and first rid all biases before looking at my argument - because only then will u understand it.
Incredibly objective and open-minded, or a stereo typical emotional Christian?
Are you able to rid yourself of bias in order to look at your own arguments objectively and open-minded?
Without going over old ground of that other thread (which I haven't read), can you provide me with one Christian claim that stands up to reason, logic, or science when analysed objectively (and which doesn't rely on an appeal to emotion or faith)?
Here are some that don't:
Faith healing
Power of prayer
Life after death
The resurrection of Jesus
Noah's Ark
A 6000 year old earth
I agree with Crashfrogs domestic violence interpretation, although I'd replace the the abuser "God", with the more tangible "Church elders and leaders". It is these guys that use fictional entities to establish and maintain the abusive relationship.

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