Fact Theory Falacy

Heres the Mariam Webster definition:
Main Entry: fact
Pronunciation: 'fakt
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin factum, from neuter of factus, past participle of facere
Date: 15th century
1 : a thing done: as a : obsolete : FEAT b : CRIME c : archaic : ACTION
2 : archaic : PERFORMANCE, DOING
3 : the quality of being actual : ACTUALITY
4 a : something that has actual existence b : an actual occurrence
5 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality
- in fact : in truth

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multiple meanings never help since evolution isnt a fact by #4, its still not entirely proven if i remember, and is a fact by #5. Also it is fact and theory according to my Biology book; and if it is not important its the most important aspect of Biology. Of course my unbiased, gain no knowledge from, highschool book doesnt help explain things either.

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However for me i suppose a fact is something that can be observed without making any assumptions i.e. no part can be filled in by: i think that this happened because it supports my theory. It also must be able to be as to the point as 1 + 1 = 2. thats my 2 cents

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"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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[This message has been edited by KingPenguin, 02-06-2002]

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[This message has been edited by KingPenguin, 02-06-2002]

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Originally posted by joz:
hows 1 + 1 = 2 outside mathematics?

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i meant that it is easy to observe and it doesnt have any parts left to be filled in. those parts cannot be filled in by opinions, assumptions, beliefs, etc.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

i dont fully understand what your asking
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"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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[This message has been edited by KingPenguin, 02-06-2002]

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Originally posted by joz:
Um bud we have millions of years in our model......

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your also assuming that a mutation occurs every year or so. which you know well that it doesnt.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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[This message has been edited by KingPenguin, 02-06-2002]

message 20- i see what you mean.
message 21- gimme some proof and explain more.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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Originally posted by joz:
From:
http://ww2.lafayette.edu/~hollidac/mutationrate.html

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I`d say rather more than 1 mutation a year eh?

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does the mutant bacteria affect the actual genetic code of the bacteria's creator?------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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[This message has been edited by KingPenguin, 02-06-2002]

yeah hehe i even say this in my signature. things need to be diverse to be strong. if something gets too specialized for its purpose itll die as soon as a change occurs simply because evolution more than likely cant keep up with most environmental changes.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

i still dont know why i have to and i dont know what you mean by it. but in my original statement i meant for the answer you would supply would have to be as blunt and precise as 1+1=2. you take a molten rock and then find another molten rock, move it to that rock and you have a pile of two rocks. theres no question to how the pile was formed and theres no question as to how the rocks were formed. that is how it happened.however you cannot see 2 rocks and automatically know exactly how they got together in a pile without doing it yourself. any assumptions you made would be a general guess and you wouldnt have any support of it.which inevitably means nothing can be entirely proven.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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[This message has been edited by KingPenguin, 02-07-2002]

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Originally posted by toff:
That is precisely what evolution DOES explain. As so often happens, when creationists get an answer they don't like, they merely shift the goalposts.

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---can we all just plz making statements like this. all it does is get us into a bickering war unstead of an actual debate/conversation.

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Originally posted by joz:
Are you being deliberately obtuse TC?

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there we go again. wooooo sarcasm/jerkism. now im too distracted to even start reading again.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

that nylon eating bacteria is fascinating, do they know of one able to digest freon or whatever it is that air conditioners and air spray release. if there is, we may be able to combat all the pollutants were puttin in the air. maybe one day we could actually breathe fresh and clean air.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

how bout a carbon monoxide eating bug then? :-) im really very curious.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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Originally posted by gene90:
That's the field of bioremediation, using living things (sometimes with genetic engineering) to detoxify chemical waste. The best example now is using genetically modified microbes to decompose oil slicks.

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sweet, science in action i love it. lets just pray it doesnt eat up all the oil on the planet, i cannot imagine what that would cause.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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[This message has been edited by KingPenguin, 02-09-2002]

on their own theyd have trouble getting down there, but whose to say someone wouldnt put the bacteria in competitors wells to get more profits.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

yeah but they still store the oil in tanks on the surface.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi