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Author Topic:   Scientific Evidence for God in the holy Qur'an
mr_matrix
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Message 46 of 74 (311621)
05-12-2006 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by jar
05-12-2006 9:09 PM


If you realy like for people to know God than i give you respect. But if you dont like my ways than show your true belief and post your own ways.

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Chiroptera
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Message 47 of 74 (311623)
05-12-2006 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 9:05 PM


Re: The hints
quote:
About coincidence, did all of the many verses come by coincidence?
No, there is no coincidence. The verses are being deliberately chosen and then twisted and mistranslated to make them say what is desired.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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mr_matrix
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Message 48 of 74 (311625)
05-12-2006 9:22 PM
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05-12-2006 9:20 PM


Re: The hints
The funny thing is: what you just said and what you thing is a clever answer is something that you just made up in your imagination and i bet that you can never find evidence that verses are being altered.

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mr_matrix
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Message 49 of 74 (311627)
05-12-2006 9:26 PM


Embyros
What do you say about the verses where God explicitely explains the stages of the development of the emberyo from the sperm and semen to the fully developed baby? In that time where they had no microscopes or X-rays.
Before anyone replies to me check the verses first and also check the 2nd link in the first post that shows you scientists world-wide who are admitting that Quran is the word of God?

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Chiroptera
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Message 50 of 74 (311630)
05-12-2006 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 9:22 PM


I did. I presented translations from a site that has three different well established translations that differ from Harun Yahya's claims that the Qu'ran describes the universe as expanding. I have also pointed out that the verses describing the motion of the sun do not describe its orbit in the galaxy, but can easily be interpreted as the (then) common belief that the sun went about the earth.
Your main response has been "Nuh-uh!"
I'm sorry that you have no evidence to back up your claims. But unfortunately, Harun Yahya is the Muslim Hovind. It's nonsense is even worse that Answers in Genesis.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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jar
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Message 51 of 74 (311631)
05-12-2006 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 9:15 PM


Last Off Topic post I promise.
If you realy like for people to know God than i give you respect. But if you dont like my ways than show your true belief and post your own ways.
You don't do it by insulting their intellegence, or by lying to them, or by twisting and misinterpreting the message or by sophomoric tactics like Harun Yahya, ICR, AIG or all the other marketers. You do it by living the message.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Chiroptera
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Message 52 of 74 (311633)
05-12-2006 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 9:26 PM


Re: Embyros
quote:
What do you say about the verses where God explicitely explains the stages of the development of the emberyo from the sperm and semen to the fully developed baby?
The human baby does not pass through three distinct stages. There are not "biological" stages. The "stages" are like calendar months in the Western calendar -- arbitrary divisions in time set for a convenient standard to ease communication.
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Before anyone replies to me check the verses first and also check the 2nd link in the first post that shows you scientists world-wide who are admitting that Quran is the word of God?
There are all sorts of "scientists" who claim all sorts of things.

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mr_matrix
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Message 53 of 74 (311634)
05-12-2006 9:34 PM
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05-12-2006 9:28 PM


I cant see why you are confused. Quran's original text mentions that the universe expands and thats it. Plus, what is wrong with mentioning orbits? Quran has established that moon and Earth move in orbit and so does the sun, but if Quran mentions the galaxy then peoople back then do not know wut galaxy is, therefore Quran mentions facts that are valid for all ages and since when know that Sun orbits in the galaxy then we have found the true meaning of the Quran.
Know i ask you, did any verse mention that the sun orbits around EArth? NO, it is just YUOR false interpretation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 54 of 74 (311635)
05-12-2006 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 9:34 PM


quote:
Quran's original text mentions that the universe expands and thats it.
Not that I can see. Maybe someone who knows Arabic can help us out here.
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Know i ask you, did any verse mention that the sun orbits around EArth? NO, it is just YUOR false interpretation.
What false interpretation? It is known that people used to look up in the sky and see that the sun moves about the earth. It takes no imagination whatsoever to imagine that these people would write about the sun moving in its orbit -- because they could see that's what it is doing.
Now, the claim that the Qu'ran speaks of the sun orbiting the center of the galaxy -- now THAT requires a bit more evidence than simply saying claiming that it is so.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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mr_matrix
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Message 55 of 74 (311636)
05-12-2006 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Chiroptera
05-12-2006 9:34 PM


Re: Embyros
Quran mentions a much easier development for the emberyo so that peoople in all ages understand it. Again i say that Quran is not concerned with our scientific details and terminology and mentions the facts in a way understandable by all people as mentioned in other verses.
By the way, you dont know or understand more than those scientists in the 2nd link and they even said that it would be even easier to follow Quranic classifications.

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Chronos
Member (Idle past 6225 days)
Posts: 102
From: Macomb, Mi, USA
Joined: 10-23-2005


Message 56 of 74 (311637)
05-12-2006 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 9:05 PM


Re: The hints
Again the best weapon for athiests is to doubt in everything even in themselves. Nobody played with the verse because modern copies of Quran did not change (not even by a single letter) from the ancient copies in museams.
I'm not arguing that the Koran was copied incorrectly, I'm saying that you're finding meaning in verses that simply isn't there.
The forelock verse has probably said the same thing for ages, but I doubt you can find anybody from more than 50 years ago that interpreted it to be a secret revelation from God about neurology.
About coincidence, did all of the many verses come by coincidence?
No, they were carefully picked out.

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mr_matrix
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Message 57 of 74 (311638)
05-12-2006 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Chiroptera
05-12-2006 9:38 PM


Look, my mother tongue is Arabic and im telling you what the verses actually mean so dont try twisting around me cuz i know Arabic.

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Chronos
Member (Idle past 6225 days)
Posts: 102
From: Macomb, Mi, USA
Joined: 10-23-2005


Message 58 of 74 (311639)
05-12-2006 9:42 PM


Now it's time for me to call that site's bullshit.
All of the Qurans that I have access to say this in 51:47.
"We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof)."
No mention of expansion.
Does the Quran condemn dishonesty?

  
Chiroptera
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Message 59 of 74 (311640)
05-12-2006 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 9:38 PM


Re: Embyros
quote:
Quran mentions a much easier development for the emberyo so that peoople in all ages understand it.
That's fine, as long as we remember that it doesn't reflect biological reality.
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Again i say that Quran is not concerned with our scientific details and terminology and mentions the facts in a way understandable by all people as mentioned in other verses.
That's good, since it doesn't appear to be very accurate scientifically.
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By the way, you dont know or understand more than those scientists in the 2nd link and they even said that it would be even easier to follow Quranic classifications.
Did these "scientists" get their degrees from Patriot University?

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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mr_matrix
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Message 60 of 74 (311641)
05-12-2006 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Chronos
05-12-2006 9:39 PM


Re: The hints
So i was right when saying that you doubt in every thing even your self. What can be more blind than seeing the meaning of the verses being interpreted scientifically with our modern science and found to be in accordance with science? God was right to say that some people are totally blinded.

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