Hi BobAliceEve,
BobAliceEve writes:
I am not, for this discussion, concerned about scientific support but I wonder what the prevailing thinking (i.e, established scriptural support) here is on the following:
BobAliceEve writes:
- did Adam and Eve evolve or were they created
According to Genesis 2:7 man was formed from the dust of the earth.
According to Genesis 2:22 woman was cloned from the rib of that man.
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- when God took them into the garden were they a basic family
The man was in the garden when God brought the woman to him.
In Genesis 2:23, 24 the man gave an oath of joining himself to the woman.
Thus they were husband and wife.
BobAliceEve writes:
- if created, were they subject to physical death
They were not subject to physical death until the man had eaten of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 2:17
BobAliceEve writes:
- was the tree of life not mentioned as a concern along with the tree of knowledge of good and evil because it was not a concern because they were already immortal
The tree of life was not necessary until after the disobedience of the man formed from the dust of the earth.
BobAliceEve writes:
- is the tree of life the antidote to either the physical or spiritual death
Both.
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- if they were a basic family and not subject to death would they live forever as a family
Had the man that was formed from the dust of the earth not eaten of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he and the woman cloned from his rib would be keeping and dressing the garden today.
They would be the only two people. No one else would have ever existed.
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- is the Messiah's mission to restore to it's original state what God created or to change things
God came to the earth and allowed Himself to be killed on the cross of calvary so man could be restored to the relationship with God that he had in the garden before he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
He also made it possible for the universe to be restored to the original condition that is spoken of in Revelation 21:1.
Peter tells us in 2Peter 3:10 the present one will melt with fervent heat.
BobAliceEve writes:
- when Isaiah says that the lion will eat hay like the ox will that be a restoration of what was before the fall or will that be a change
There is no reference to this having taken place before other than Solomon saying there is nothing new under the sun. Take that however you want.
But the day will come when the things in Isaiah chapter 11 will come to pass.
BobAliceEve writes:
- is this knowledge valuable to a discussion regarding how the age of the earth is thought of
The only thing relevant to the age of the earth would be the man that was formed from the dust of the earth, and the woman that was cloned from his rib.
When did he exist on planet earth?
That would tell us if it is a young earth or an old earth.
The man created (Hebrew bara) in Genesis 1:27 at the same time as woman appeared on earth at a much later point.
BTW I am old earth. Much older than any numbers put forth by the scientific community.
God Bless,
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