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onifre
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Message 16 of 53 (468259)
05-28-2008 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by New Cat's Eye
05-28-2008 4:38 PM


Re: Measuring higher intelligence
That's just a response to the environment, not an intellectual decision.
Everything that is done by all species is a response to their environment wouldn't you say?
In my opinion where the line can be drawn for intelligence, if we had to draw a line, is in the ability to learn from those you interact with, with the conscious awareness that its a benefit to you and that way its something you'd want to pass on to your child(I think its refered to as Memes). As a species gets smarter due to its ability to raise its consciousness, it gives rise to what we refer to as intelligence. In that respect nothing under primate and some domestic animals seem to have this capacity; the capacity to learn with the intent to progress as a whole. In fact it could be argued that nothing under humans actually have full use of this ability. Instinct, as its being refered to in this thread, seems to just be the evolved traits of the species that better help it survive and not necessarily intelligence. Consciousness however, is another issue...

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onifre
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Message 38 of 53 (468506)
05-29-2008 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by New Cat's Eye
05-29-2008 10:28 AM


Re: Measuring higher intelligence
When I decide to not eat the cheesecake even though I'm hungry, its not a response to the environment.
Well your a human, your environment is aware of weight issues, sugar issues, bad dieting issues etc..., what if your decision was based on one of those reasons? Wouldn't that decision to put down the cheescake be a response to the environment you live in?
Do you think someone who lives in Sub Saharan Africa is going to put down that cheesecake? Different environmental influences don't you think?
That's not a bad place to draw it, I guess. Honestly though, its all conjecture (mine too). I would draw it after the awareness for the benefit and before the want to pass it on.
For shooo
Whales and Dolphins. Elephants. Lions.
Well as long as its not one of the one's we eat right?!
I used to think that but I now believe that non-human animals do have non-zero levels of intelligence. Our's is so exponentially higher that there's seems like zero, but they ehibit some characteristics of intelligence that I would put them at non-zero.
Agreed
Oh wait. You said full use. Hrm. Is our's even full use?
But I did say full Seems to be, but as we get smarter we'll learn to use it better. Assuming of course that ID never gets taught in schools.

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