To Matt: The difference between Science and Religion.

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Originally posted by Brad McFall:
Thanks gene90,

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nos# if that is what you think you are entittled to the statement of you opnion etc. but here in US there has been some legal actions that you may not be familiar with. This is not the only board I post on and I intended my posts to be generic. Yes I did respond to you becuase you do not seem to accept that there are view of science as religion. In the case of being unable to tell if the student studied physiological chemistry or biochemistry COULD? be an example if general but for me personally I was struggling with defining differences of bioPHYSICS from physcial chemsitry FOR any organic vs inorganic chemistry NO MATTER THE BIOCHEMISTRY. I had to know these things in order to choose what courses I was going to study but seeing how LEGALLY EVOLUTION and PHYSICAL CHEMISTRY can be confused as has HAPPENED HERE IN USA if this is not understood in general c/e discourse then this can lead to wrong ideas both of how science is NOT religion as well as in the mistake how IT IS. Please go to the Coffee Shop and if you still can not make sense of my interruptions PLEASE do list the words (IN ORDER) that you feel are more indicative of your "faith" or "belief" etc. Thank you GENE90 once again.

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This time you almost made some sense. Maybe you'll get closer the next time and actually be completely on the topic at hand.We have a generic brand here called No Name, it has more relevant info on the label about what is inside than what you say in your posts.[This message has been edited by nos482, 10-24-2002]

Nos482 how do you think they sold wd40? by sheer faith? THAT IS JOKEnot hose pantry. I am largely a aural learner. Maybe by ON TOPIC you mean a more visual style of learning. That is useless when reading evolution texts as even GOULD has made clear. There are more illustrations of evolution than the words themselves support. And though a picture is WORTH more than a thousand words it does not sell a c/e position any better once one is informed of truth in the case etc.

I know Brad can stand up for himself, but as a matter of board policy it would be preferable if you could refrain from such overt criticisms of other members. Please follow rule 3 of the forum guidelines. Thanks!--------------------EvC Forum Administrator

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Originally posted by Admin:
I know Brad can stand up for himself, but as a matter of board policy it would be preferable if you could refrain from such overt criticisms of other members. Please follow rule 3 of the forum guidelines. Thanks!

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If he can't make any sense at all he shouldn't have replied. It's not as if I hunted him out and attacked him outright. He replied to me. I just want him to make some sense.[This message has been edited by nos482, 10-24-2002]

nos482 writes: If he can't make any sense at all he shouldn't have replied. It's not as if I hunted him out and attacked him outright. He replied to me. I just want him to make some sense.

My son has already sensed in me a change of increasing sympathy with increasing age. I at one time believed we were all blessed with the same mental faculties and that anybody could do anything, that it was only a matter of effort and motivation, that anyone who couldn't do something just wasn't trying. But by the time Mozart was my age he'd been dead a long time, and my greater availability of time has not produced any symphonies. Would, if I could, write symphonies, or essays whose words put wind beneath the wings of other's ideas, but it is not in me. I'm an incompetent musician, let alone composer, and my essays trudge their pedestrian paths.I'm sure Brad wishes more than anything that the thoughts within his mind could find ordered expression in his written word, but it is not, at present, within him. We all soar within limits not of our own making, and to push those limits and try to exceed them represents the best expression of the human quality I can imagine.--Percy[This message has been edited by Percipient, 10-25-2002]

Hi Brad,Your address says that you are from Ithaca. You also have mentioned Will Provine a bunch of times though as I understand you have corresponded with him by letter as opposed to taking classes taught by him. Did you ever go to any of his lectures at Cornell? I am not entirely sure if you object to what Provine has said or are in agreement.Just as an aside, I am also from Ithaca Best wishes,
Mammuthus

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Originally posted by Percipient:

nos482 writes: If he can't make any sense at all he shouldn't have replied. It's not as if I hunted him out and attacked him outright. He replied to me. I just want him to make some sense.

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My son has already sensed in me a change of increasing sympathy with increasing age. I at one time believed we were all blessed with the same mental faculties and that anybody could do anything, that it was only a matter of effort and motivation, that anyone who couldn't do something just wasn't trying. But by the time Mozart was my age he'd been dead a long time, and my greater availability of time has not produced any symphonies. Would, if I could, write symphonies, or essays whose words put wind beneath the wings of other's ideas, but it is not in me. I'm an incompetent musician, let alone composer, and my essays trudge their pedestrian paths.

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I'm sure Brad wishes more than anything that the thoughts within his mind could find ordered expression in his written word, but it is not, at present, within him. We all soar within limits not of our own making, and to push those limits and try to exceed them represents the best expression of the human quality I can imagine.

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--Percy

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I'm thinking that he does this intentionally as some sort of joke.

I took his "Evolution and Ethics" class in the 80s prior to going to the Equator of Africa past the Heart of Darkness and got a C- where I said what can easily be interpreted in Wolfram's notion of the phyiscal evolution of networks where I did this by talking about taking things a part as opposed to putting them together and was TOLD at that time that this was somthing mentally that Freud had done by another proffesor (not Will) during an oraural presentation where I spoke my own word "fundamental particle" which was supposed by me to be an entity that was capable of 'scaling' from the region that that not not space around protons and electrons (this I substracted in the concept)ALL THE WAY organizationally to the population thinking biology level which I mangaged to construct by seperating my notion of space and time from that of Rene Thom.. but to recieve a C- for doing A LOT of orginal thinking I later regretted as to the simplicity of "regurgitating" an A- by simply repeating what was wanted to be heard and not you can hear me say quite anew;Assuming a universarl computational computer the Bronsted-Lowry definition (see Acids and Bases: Their Quantitative Behaviour 1952 London) of acid-base may obscure a potential grammetological reversibility biasing to claims of computational irreversibility if built to universality even in the most sophisticated instantiation of a future lexicographic use case for the the principle in equivalent sophistication in the benefits post Liebig 1838 acid-baseological/environs. even if not all AL KALI are NOT a la Arrhenius's(?) dissociation (i.e. genetics of thermophene soma per qualitatively same metrics visually at least (when (if) not scanned)).It may be necessary in the transition through the information age to revert to Otwald paralleism graphs and view of colloids under solution no matter the perceptive differnce. The physical network may indicate that chemistry counter indicates the/a notion universal, of proton donation and acceptance at least in so far as "organicism" is false. This would deny some teleomtic to continue (not) in Mayr's genetic revolution.Will is stuck with a diagram about the "revolution" as a point and I am using a Plane where Nelson sought a line. It was hard to realize that this "elite" education was worthless for the creative scientist but indeed it has been and Wolfram is if not going to change ALL of sicience has likely provided tools to get past the anti-Wright attitude of FORD and Calculus followers of FIsher. That is internal evolution stuff for which in my own instance commenting on Provine giving a lecture on the CONSTRICTION of taught evolutionary thought made me only think of snake with that talk which on summary to Majorie Green I and not He got Her nod. etc. Thanks. didnt know. The down town is not the hill as youknow.

Thanks for the concern of both of you. The work continues. I do a job and I get paid; the quirk of the US system is that I am paid in medical benefits. Probably this would not have happened if I stayed in NJ rather than crossing the river into NY for education.Brad