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Author Topic:   Dissecting the Evolutionist Approach to Explanation and Persuation
rgb
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Message 14 of 255 (293141)
03-08-2006 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by PaulK
03-08-2006 2:50 AM


Re: Know Your Audience
PaulK
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Isn't that an adequate reason for calling her on it ?
I'm not sure if it's an adequate reason. I've read her posts and I'm getting the impression that she comes from a social background where a simple "I heard somewhere that..." or "god has shown me that..." is a good enough reason to believe in something. Combine that with an upbringing in an environment where "goddunit" was the explanation for everything.
If anything, Faith seems to be extremely deprived of logical thought. She is incapable of understanding something from another person's perspective. To her, if something is obvious enough that it must be true, all other views are wrong.
Because of her total lack of will power (yes, I truly don't believe she has free will), I don't think she is even capable of realizing that everything she says is just hot air.
You all saw her reactions when people started calling her on it. When people pointed out that the only thing she ever said in that thread was that all the evidence pointed to a flood and never explained why the evidence pointed to a great world wide flood, she immediately lost her temper and stated that she couldn't understand why people didn't see something so obvious. Calling her on it is like trying to ask a first grader why the integral of x^4+2 is not 2 after she claimed it to be.
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If there is a valid criticism of the OP it is that, as an OP it could have done with a bit more explanation of the issues.
My take on the thread overall is that it shouldn't have existed in the first place. The OP starter wanted to ask Faith something he knew she was incapable of answering in a reasonable sense.
My question is is setting someone up for the person to humiliate himself acceptable?
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Isn't it reasonable to ask her to back up that claim ?
Why ask if you know she's just going to dodge it?
Look, guys, Faith is unlikely to change her personal view of the world because of this forum. I can see that many people are frustrated. Why not just let her back in and ignore her? If she's going to change how she views evidence, it will happen either through a major life changing experience, like god appearing and telling her she's going to hell, or somebody pointing a gun to her head.
I say just let her back in and let this whole thing go. Keep a look out for more reasonable creationists and debate with them. I am beginning to think that this forum lacks thinking creationists. Is there any? Ever since I started reading threads here, I've been seeing plenty of, as you call it, hot air on the most basic things.

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rgb
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Message 122 of 255 (293523)
03-09-2006 3:43 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by PaulK
03-09-2006 2:37 AM


Re: What does it relate too?
Have you guys tried the baby step approach with Faith?
The baby step approach is basically just ask one question at a time and not leave any room for possible dodging. Usually, this would only work if there is no piling involved. One person asks a very simple question and not respond to anything else until Faith answers the question.
The baby step approach may be slow, painful, and require a lot of patience, but it leaves little to no room for the person recieving the questions to dodge or "forget" about the question.

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