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Abshalom
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Message 1 of 28 (78710)
01-15-2004 6:07 PM


This article appeared in the paper today:

http://www.courierpress.com/ecp/entertainment/article/0,1626,ECP_738_2576782,00.html

It reports on the release of a new book by Peter Hertli titled, "Beyond Darwin and Genesis."

And from the looks of it, it is "beyond." (OoooooWeeeeeeOooooo)

There is another article online regarding the same book:

http://www.booksurge.com/author.php3?accountID=IMPR01244

The second link posted just above has a selection from the text of the book that relates the author's belief that, "a creative agency initiated life on this planet and made it evolve."

This entity supposed by Hertli doesn't reside in our universe, but in a parallel universe that overlaps ours.

"By using force at the quantum level," Hertli continues, "the creative agency did not have to violate any laws of physics that govern our universe" in accomplishing our creation and evolution.

Oh my. Bring in the UFOs.

Have any of the rest of you run into this X-File style creationism before? Is this just New Age Creationism? It really doesn't sound all that original to me, and kinda reminds me of a late '60s acid ramble.

Peace from this side of the veil.

[This message has been edited by Abshalom, 01-15-2004]


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TruthDetector
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Message 2 of 28 (79055)
01-17-2004 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Abshalom
01-15-2004 6:07 PM


problem...
The only problem with having another race, aliens, ect having made earth/life is the question still remains. Where did THEY come from?
LOL! Anyone who believes that is problably trying to avoid the answer.
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Asgara
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Message 3 of 28 (79056)
01-17-2004 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by TruthDetector
01-17-2004 1:24 PM


Re: problem...
slightly off topic, but you have the same problem with creationism, "Where did god come from?"


Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Chiroptera
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Message 4 of 28 (79057)
01-17-2004 1:30 PM
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01-17-2004 1:24 PM


Re: problem...
If the entities came from another dimension, where the laws of physics may be different, then how they came to be would be an unanswerable question (unless they chose to tell us). Sort of like the Christians' Yahweh.
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TruthDetector
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Message 5 of 28 (79292)
01-18-2004 6:43 PM
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01-17-2004 1:27 PM


Re: problem...
No, actually, you wouldn't have the same problem with Creationism.
If you were a good little evolutionist trying to understand the nature of God, then you would know that He...
"is the Alpha and the Omega"
He has always been, is, and always will be. Don't try to oppose something you don't even understand Asgara. Please save me the typing, please, I suck at typing.
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TruthDetector
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Message 6 of 28 (79293)
01-18-2004 6:48 PM
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01-17-2004 1:30 PM


Re: problem...
Prove there are other dimentions with different laws. Your not only trying to imply a being but also a dimention from which that being came from. I think you are say anything to get around God.
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sidelined
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Message 7 of 28 (79295)
01-18-2004 6:54 PM
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01-18-2004 6:43 PM


Re: problem...
TruthDetector

So how does a quote from a book whose whole purpose would be moot without statements such as "I am the Alpha and Omega" qualify to explain the problem you have of demonstratng where God came from. Of course the bible will say that!

Now where did God come from?


'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.'
(Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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TruthDetector
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Message 8 of 28 (79301)
01-18-2004 7:03 PM
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01-18-2004 6:54 PM


Re: problem...
If you use a theory like aliens- you still have the problem of where they came from

If you use a theory involving GOD - you don't - He always has been
the bible explains that - alpha = beginning
omega = end
I am the alpha and the omega.... Get it now?


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sidelined
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Message 9 of 28 (79303)
01-18-2004 7:06 PM
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01-18-2004 7:03 PM


Re: problem...
That explains nothing old boy. It is mere opinion that the bible has anything to do with God and vice versa.It gives no indication of origins at all.


'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.'
(Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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TruthDetector
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Message 10 of 28 (79304)
01-18-2004 7:12 PM
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01-18-2004 7:06 PM


By the vary nature of God, he has always been.
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NosyNed
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Message 11 of 28 (79305)
01-18-2004 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by TruthDetector
01-18-2004 7:12 PM


beginnings
By the vary nature of God, he has always been.

Well, that is what the latest speculations are saying about an 11 dimensional "universe". So we both end up with no beginning.

One difference is that, even at this early stage, the physicists are suggesting ways to test the idea.


Common sense isn't
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sidelined
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Message 12 of 28 (79306)
01-18-2004 7:16 PM
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01-18-2004 7:12 PM


TruthDetector

Says who?


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TruthDetector
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Message 13 of 28 (79398)
01-19-2004 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by sidelined
01-18-2004 7:16 PM


Read NosyNed's message above
"ways to TEST the IDEA"
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NosyNed
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Message 14 of 28 (79426)
01-19-2004 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by TruthDetector
01-19-2004 11:38 AM


huh? You have a way to test the God idea? That's both interesting and a theological risk?

Or what do you mean by referring to my post anyway?


Common sense isn't
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sidelined
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Message 15 of 28 (79540)
01-20-2004 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by TruthDetector
01-19-2004 11:38 AM


TruthDetector

You refuse to answer the question where did God come from?

You make the statement that he always has been. Fine let us think on that. What does it mean to say He always existed? Does this mean that thousands of years passed before he created us? millions? billions? No an infinite amount of time must have passed before deciding to create the Earth. What could he possibly do with an infinite amount of time stretching back?How did he pass the time?

You limit your understanding of what it is you believe in don't you?


'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.'
(Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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