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Author Topic:   The phrase "Evolution is a fact"
Fosdick 
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Message 23 of 217 (489337)
11-26-2008 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Beretta
11-26-2008 5:48 AM


Re: Salamanders
Beretta writes:
Fact (variation within a kind) vs fiction (changing of one kind of creature into another.)
Beretta, I can't find a good reference for changing alligators into ostriches, but would changing one species of bacteria into another impress you? This has been done artificially in Craig Venter's lab when they managed to produce digitally designed life (see thread Digital Life Design”What a concept!).
”FTF

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Fosdick 
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Message 29 of 217 (489534)
11-28-2008 1:16 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by NosyNed
11-27-2008 11:12 PM


Re: still bacteria
NosyNed writes:
The facts are, Peg, life on earth consists of things which are all variations of one thing.
I like this. It is profoundly true and hard to overemphasize. Why not two, or three, or more? Because the first ones to pop out ate all the late comers? No, there's got to be a better explanation.
”FTF

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Fosdick 
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Message 61 of 217 (489703)
11-29-2008 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Beretta
11-29-2008 1:12 AM


Bacterial facts and soulful beliefs
Beretta writes:
Sorry Fosdick - bacteria can change and adapt to environmental pressure -nobody doubts that. The question is, given enough time and the correct selective pressures, can they change into something like a human being or even into anything but a bacteria?
I always thought my Uncle Howard was slime of the bacterial kind, until he managed to evolve into a decent human being later on. Just joking about that, of course, but you make an interesting statement. You want science to show you factually how bacteria could have evolved into humans. I'll admit that scientists would be hard pressed to back up that claim with empirical evidence. The fossil record is good, but necessarily spotty. Alien implantations notwithstanding, I don't know how humans could not have arrived here any other way.
OK, there is no factual record of any slimy bug evolving into a human being. So, if I were you, I wouldn't believe any of it. Now, you and all the other Creatins believe that humans didn't evolve from anything. Instead, we are all endowed by God with "souls," and that He somehow is vested therein. I've checked up on your belief and I can't find any evidence to support it. There are no pickled souls anywhere in the dusty archives of the Smithsonian. How is it that you have chosen to reject what science says about Darwinian evolution in favor of what your religion says about God-endowed souls? And why would you and all the other Creatins claim that I have a God-given soul, too? I've checked several times and there is no such thing residing within the boundaries of my being.
Hey, maybe I'm just slime, like Uncle Howard was before he became a human.
”FTF

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Fosdick 
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Message 68 of 217 (489763)
11-29-2008 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Rrhain
11-29-2008 2:50 PM


Rrhain writes:
No, not really. Not literally "ate the late comers," but one of the observed actions of evolution is that only one organism can occupy a niche with any stability. Competition between species is no different from competition within a species. Take a look at Darwin's finches. They all descended from a single ancestor but they couldn't all occupy the same niche so they diversified.
No, but a different kind of "organism" could peacefully occupy the niche next door, which also happens in ecology. I know you are aware that your Darwin's finches were aliens to the islands and probably came in on a storm. There was an establish source of finches from the mainland. So, to make your analogy work for abiogensis, you have to invoke panspermia.
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Fosdick 
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Message 85 of 217 (489846)
11-30-2008 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Beretta
11-30-2008 1:51 AM


Re: Bacterial facts and soulful beliefs
Beretta writes:
Yes that's exactly what I want! They don't actually have to make it happen -but they do have to at least demonstrate to me that the train is going in the right direction. If I see a train heading to Perth from Sydney, it is at least conceivable that it may get there given that it is heading in the right direction BUT if it is not heading that way or if it is in fact heading for the ocean, then I must hold up on my theories on where it's headed until I get some evidence to back my contention that it may be heading for Perth.
And yet if God says, "It's headed to Perth, my child," you'd have no problem believing it?
Well my faith that there is a God is far superior to man's inventiveness and better supported by the real experimental science.
And your evidence is exactly what? After all, you're the one calling for evidence.
”FTF
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