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Author Topic:   The phrase "Evolution is a fact"
Wounded King
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Message 18 of 217 (489305)
11-26-2008 6:45 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Beretta
11-26-2008 5:48 AM


How many generations have you calculated are 'enough'
Bacteria, given more than enough generations of laboratory testing and mutating, are never anything but bacteria
Could you show us your working on this? Because it sounds like complete nonsense.
Are you saying that the change from prokaryote to eukaryote took less than a century? I'd be fascinated to know how you came by this knowledge.
If not then just what are you trying to say?
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 156 of 217 (524119)
09-14-2009 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Archangel
09-14-2009 2:18 PM


Hi Archangel,
I think you are obsessing needlessly over one sentence in RAZD's post. He isn't making any claims about extracting DNA from ancient fossils. He merely talks about allelic distributions in the populations because we know that genetic traits are the basis for heritable morphological variation.
For some reason you have inferred from this one word that RAZD is claiming that there are genetic data on all of these fossil species, he isn't. The evidence he is pointing you to is the distribution of sizes amongst the fossilized lineage of Pelycodus over time. You may well argue that your interpretation is that these are not really related populations, but to quibble over his use of the term allele is to miss the point.
At the moment you seem to be flogging a strawman.
TTFN,
WK
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Wounded King
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Message 173 of 217 (524223)
09-15-2009 3:59 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by Arphy
09-15-2009 3:02 AM


Re: Allelegorical License
But Evolution with a big E is about order from disorder or simple to complex.
I'd say that in fact it was exactly the opposite way round. Evolution with a small e is used to talk about things like stellar evolution or the evolution of gases. I'd also point out that the evolution of gases is going from a more to a less ordered state as this is commonly understood, i.e. a liquid or solid to a gas. That is because the word evolution predates Darwinian theory by many centuries. As it is used to describe the processes occurring in the lifes of stars or planets it is closer to its original usage, it has also been used to describe the development of embryos, all of these relate to its original meaning of an unrolling as of a scroll, i.e. the linear unfolding of a script.
Evolution with capitalisation is usually used for 'The theory of Evolution' which can encompass various elements of biological evolution connected to Darwin's theories about how populations of living organisms changed over time. Darwin himself was not a fan of the word evolution to describe the process, that usage being coined by Lyell.
If you want to argue about whether the evolution of gases is a fact I think you came to the wrong thread, and probably the wrong site.
TTFN,
WK

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