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Author Topic:   The phrase "Evolution is a fact"
greyseal
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Message 150 of 217 (524042)
09-14-2009 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Peg
09-14-2009 7:33 AM


Re: More creationist propaganda
peg writes:
Its funny, even though its been explained to me over and over,
"bang head here"
and the explanation is that evolution is only about decent with modification,
ding! you get a cracker. correct.
I still dont believe that one kind of animal evolved into another kind.
so you don't believe it, therefore it's not true. Well, that settles it. pack up and go home everybody! Peg's solved it. No need to further refine it. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Do not look at the man behind the curtain...
DNA doesnt work like that.
You know this how?
And as Archangle said "you cant have evolution without having abiogenesis first"
Then Archangle is a fool for saying something so patently false. Evolution, whether it is fact or fiction, need have absolutely nothing - zip, zilch, nada, none, nein, nyet - with abiogenesis.
Evolution is, as you have already stated in your one accurate statement, descent with modification.
But no one is able to prove abiogenesis...something that apparently happened naturally back then, but doenst happen naturally any more.
And you know this how? for the first part, I don't think it's been proven yet, but that is still besides the point. I don't believe there's any reason why it couldn't happen again, and might not be happening right now somewhere
no one builds anything solid on a missing foundation.
So, because of one missing piece of a much larger puzzle (a missing piece, which I hasten to add, is not required for this essentially stand-alone theory to work) we should, as you say, throw the baby out with the bath-water?
Shame on you.
"We don't know everything, therefore we know nothing" isn't a very intelligent thing to say.

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greyseal
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Message 177 of 217 (524263)
09-15-2009 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by Arphy
09-15-2009 3:02 AM


Re: Allelegorical License
This is all conjecture, BUT...
arphy writes:
Again, this is the problem with the evolutionists here. They seem to imply that the term evolution only applys to biological evolution
I don't think that scientists use Evolution as a term for much other than biological Evolution (note the big E).
In every other case, it's meant as a progression through various connected states. in biology, IMHO, is where Evolution belongs - it was, after all, where it came from.
It seems to me that only IDists and creationists seem eager to slap the label "evolution" on everything - and I feel it is because they seek to over-inflate the word into something so huge and fantastic that they can claim it is untenable.
"stellar evolution" has nothing to do with Darwin, genetics, DNA, paleontology or anything messy and biological - in short, nothing to do with Evolution. I think that's "cosmology".
"abiogenesis" has nothing to do with Evolution - it is "merely" life from non-life (and yes, I'm being sarcastic in the word "mere"). That's "organic chemistry" - I think.
"cosmic evolution" also has nothing to do with Evolution - cosmology again.
and "chemical evolution" ? I don't even know what this IS - but it's probably "chemistry"
"planetary evolution" also has nothing to do with Evolution - "geology", or "geophysics"?
Evolution with a big E, if you please, is The Theory of Evolution from Darwin.
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greyseal
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Message 178 of 217 (524264)
09-15-2009 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by Archangel
09-15-2009 10:27 AM


Sorry I can't respond to your post point by point, but I don't have all day to spend on a rebuttal which your long winded post would require. But I couldn't leave without responding to this claim also.
Archangel, you got schooled. Elsewhere it would appropriately be called pwned.
your failure to answer everything is not an answer. Your inability to comprehend RAZD' answer is not an answer.
going all oh waily waily because you have no evidence - and then flat-out IGNORING it when it's given to you is pathetic.
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